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It's completely inconsistent with traditional Windows design language and there's no "Cancel" button or an X in the corner to click on so you can't cancel out of it with your mouse and have to reach for Esc on your keyboard

It also tries to funnel you into a shitty Microsoft service

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (7 children)

They should make a Linux that's just Windows 7

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Just about every single window manager improvement Windows has seen since Vista was introduced in Gnome first then later cribbed by Microsoft. shrug-outta-hecks

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Here's a guide. I don't know if it still works, but regardless making Linux Mint look like Windows 7 shouldn't be too hard.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Just run a distro with KDE, it's a lot like old school windows.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's the beauty of Linux, it isn't "they should make" it's "you can make"!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

no i cant, i suck ass at programming

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It isn't just programming. There are literally hundreds of desktop environments to choose from which let you customize things much more in depth than windows can.

XFCE for example would let you put your task bar dead center in the middle of your monitor if you wanted to, no programming required. Another reply links to a guide that requires no programming.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Any distro with KDE + WINE, and you basically have Windows 7, but Linux.

Only real difference is if you want to interact with devices that need special drivers (basically, anything that isn't a USB HID device), you gotta use native Linux apps for those. Example would be reflashing a phone's firmware using the proprietary SoC bootrom mode, or trying to use a DJ controller with a Windows program via WINE.

Usual disclaimer: Linux is not Windows, and things will not behave exactly the same. For example, installing software is done through a software repository instead of going to a random website and downloading an exe. When installing software from a repository, it will get updated along with the rest of your system. Think: an app store, but before app stores existed. Also, the only time you have to reboot after an update is when updating the kernel, and you won't get that annoying thing where Windows Update has to take forever to apply an update when shutting down since Linux will give permission to write to files that are currently in use.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Linux Mint is already pretty close to Windows 7 out of the box, in terms of how the UI behaves.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Someone should do some testing where they sit down with a few dozen windows users and have them "playtest" linux to figure out what the snags are for onboarding, and what is generally meant by "make it work like windows" to them. Certainly there are some things linux objectively does better, even if it isn't immediately intuitive coming from windows.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I did this ages ago with a highly non-technical user on Ubuntu 10.04 and the only question I got was "Should I trust the updater?" (yes)

I think the biggest hurdles are:

  • Nobody believes you that they can use Linux; once you've got somebody to that "playtest" you've already skipped over the imaginary Linux demon in their head.
  • You have to install it. The installer is as friendly as it can be, but it sure doesn't beat just plugging the thing in and hitting the onboard screen. People selling pre-installed Linux computers for tech nerds are rare, and pre-installed Linux computers for a general audience are unheard of.
  • Sometimes it doesn't work with your hardware, and then it's a mess, and if you're new you don't know that's what up (This also wouldn't happen if you could just buy a Linux box).
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It also likes to forget what programs I've already designated to open what files.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

'Hey, we know that you've set your favourite program as the default for this file type, but we want you to use our program. Here's the choice yet again, with our program highlighted'

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's also terrible at guessing what you want to do. Like no I do not want to open my .git file with paint 3d

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

I do not want to open my .git file with paint 3d

don't knock it till you've tried it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I said what I said. It's none of your business what file extensions I hide my communist meme zip files inside of

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Everything is a file, including .git directory

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think if you click outside of that pop-up it disappears completely, which as you say is totally inconsistent with everything else in Windows, but it is at least possible to get away from it with the mouse.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The mishmash of old Windows and the more mobile phone-esque design used in places like the Settings App (🤮) really irks me. Makes the whole thing feel unfinished, not that I would want them to finish what they've started and make everything else look like a phone too, mind you

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

As someone who has been working in IT, been using SCCM and WSUS to manage windows 10 pc’s since 1807, including LTSB versions, I can attest to how awful the winNT and modern OS integrated has been handled. They slowly take away legacy settings and processes, only to be replaced by some crappy UWP system application, or they just straight up have no alternative.

I hate that it has started to become a better OS, and with tools like powertoys I’ve been able to make it damn near great, only for them to be moonlighting it for windows 11. And the whole cycle continues as they have just made the OS even more fragmented while still having the same issues win10 did.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

since 1807

200 years of Windows!? sadness-abysmal

spoileryes, yes, i know. windows 2018.07

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Lool I thought the same as I read it back

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand why Powertoys isn't just part of the base OS. It's even developed by Microsoft.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I fully agree, though I believe PT and the addins are created and are curated by independent developers within Microsoft.

Seems to me that we’re lucky to have it at all haha.

The new best feature for me is screenshot OCR, the window manager is life, the launcher is good but win+r is still quicker most of the time for my usage.

Things like the explorer file preview are extremely buggy for me and I have to keep it disabled

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I've started using Windows with Windows 98, and they're basically three UIs that clash with each other:

  1. The OG UI design that started with Windows 95 and continued up to Windows 2000 like this: https://stealthsettings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/change_ip_v4_address.jpg

  2. Stuff added in from Windows XP to Windows 7 like this: https://blog.usro.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/windows-10-classic-control-panel-1024x607.jpg

  3. That Metro-phone crap that started from Windows 8: https://www.windowslatest.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Windows-Update.png

Honestly, people don't talk enough about how the XP-Vista-7 stuff clash with the 95-98-2000 stuff, but it's there. Microsoft fucked up again by layering yet another UI design on top of the first two, and it just looks like ass.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

It doesn't for me. I just have to alt-tab around it until my next reboot if I'm stuck using windows.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

Another example of the fact that the sooner you switch to Linux, the sooner your personal computer becomes "personal".

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Has anyone ever used that Microsoft store?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

It forced me to sign up so my brother could play minecraft bedrock. I had had it disabled but had to reenable it because windows threw a tantrum that I was using a non-microsoft windows account.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

No because they started publishing their games on steam lol.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

the worst thing about windows 10 aside from pushing the store (which I have found mostly easy to turn off) is that you can open five different settings folders and encounter six different ui elements.

edit: opening a windows 10 system menu to then search for the screensaver function and get the same style of window you got in xp is wild lol. also its impossible to even get to the screensaver settings without searching because I guess they don't think you need it anymore, but its so weird to see menus and folders formatted however they were when the feature was first introduced lol.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, the worst part is the damn ads,

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Get windows LTSC and use MAS to activate it. It’s basically an enterprise version that strips the OS of ads, Cortana, store, etc as well as frivolous updates. But it’ll still push security updates.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

also this specific prompt absolutely filled me with rage for a long time. you can just click not on the window to cancel it but WHY is there no x in the corner to cancel out? disgusting design.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

there's no "Cancel" button or an X in the corner to click on so you can't cancel out of it with your mouse and have to reach for Esc on your keyboard

Because

It also tries to funnel you into a shitty Microsoft service

Ftfy

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

That's because it's the Windows 8 design language and they didn't update it in a decade!

It's not the worst offender. There are older and worse screens that you see every day.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

My (backed up 😉😉😉) collection of movies and tv shows is made up of like 8 different file formats. I prefer to play them all with VLC, but every few months Windows likes to forget that and they'll randomly open with Windows Media Player, and i have to go through this bullshit.

It's especially annoying because VLC doesn't appear in the list, so I have to manually select the program in File Explorer. For every video format.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

and it tries to get you to buy codecs from the windows store to play certain videos lol, it's absurd

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