Not gonna stop doing it though. In fact, my brain is broken in such a way that. If I see someone else not tipping, then I have to tip even more to make up the difference.
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Not tipping isn't rude.
That depends entirely upon the context. There are many situations where not tipping is rude. There are also situations where tipping is rude. "Rude" is a quality related to social expectations. You can be unintentionally rude due to ignorance of the norms, and that doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. But if you knowingly refuse to tip when tipping is expected for a provided service, then you're a shitbag.
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This is how a greedy person thinks. It's morbid, but fascinating.
I am not in a financial race against the people who do not tip. And if this guy thinks I am then he failed to factor in that people pleasers probably go a lot further socially in life and thus are likely to make more money. Maybe I tip not because I want to please, but because I have more expendable income than the average self-limiting greedy asshole.
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The only way you can help increase the wages is to not tip, all it does is subsidize the owners
It's all about how far you look into the future.
If you look into the future by 20 years, then yes, not tipping is the best way to improve the average wages of servers, and in fact the wages would probably rise to match exactly the loss in tippings.
But if you look at only the next 3 months, wages might not rise quickly enough to compensate the losses through tipping, and that puts servers in a (temporary) hardship.
So, it's all about whether you're far-sighted or short-sighted.
Unfortunately as this very thread shows, a lot of Americans are mindbogglingly not in agreement about that. Which explains a lot about the current predicament of the country.
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Tip your waitstaff. Don’t be a pos.
I want to share my perspective on this as someone who works for tips.
I don't like tips in theory, but I'd be below the poverty line without tips so I really appreciate them. I also enjoy that they act as a mechanism to adjust my wage to the work I'm actually doing; I produce much more value as an employee on a busy day than when it's dead, and without tips I'd make the same amount despite working much more.
I think realistically, unless we also massively adjust how the labour economy works, eliminating tipping would make profits higher for owners and make service industry workers poorer.
Like I'd gladly trade my tips for universal basic income, I would not trade my tips for poverty wages.
I produce much more value as an employee on a busy day than when it’s dead, and without tips I’d make the same amount despite working much more.
You're not selling your work, you're selling your time. If you're at the restaurant on a slow day, you're not seeing your friends and family and you're not using your time however you want to. If you're spending the exact same amount of time at the restaurant on a slow day as on a busy day, you should take home the exact same amount of money and I'm having a hard time understanding why you would argue your employer's case of paying you less under any circumstances. I think it's a question of self-respect. Who gives a shit about "producing value" for someone else? You're there, sacrificing your time, and that's what you should get paid for. If your employer can't efficiently use the time they employed you for, that's their problem and never yours.
I'm not arguing for my employer to pay me less. I'm just saying I like the fact I make more money when I have to work more.
On a slow day, I'm basically chilling with my coworkers and my customers (both of who I do actually enjoy spending time with). On a busy day, I can be running around making food, drinks, cleaning, without even having a thought for myself or a second to relax and breathe for stretches of like 5 hours straight.
My wage before tips is fair to the amount of work I do if no one comes in. I would not be satisfied with my untipped wage on a day where we serve 80+ people an hour.
Obviously, I wouldn't complain if we eliminated tips and made the minimum wage close to what I make with tips on a busy day. That's not what I think would happen, though. Realistically, under the current economic system, most restaurants could not afford to pay their employees that much. Which is why I said in my original comment that we'd need some sort of change to the labour economy before I'd be willing to give up my tips (such as UBI).
My wage before tips is fair to the amount of work I do if no one comes in.
If that works for you, that's great. I wouldn't accept these conditions because, as I said, my time is sacrificed just the same, regardless of how busy it is. You're not getting paid for the amount of food and drinks you prepare but for the time you spend at your employer's disposal. But that's why I don't work a tipped job in the first place, I guess.
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