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[–] [email protected] 793 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Then it sounds like your business is a failure and should be shutdown.

[–] [email protected] 174 points 2 months ago (31 children)

WHO is the one guy who downvotes you???

"NO! UNPROFITABLE BUSINESSES DESERVE TO THRIVE!!! MUST FEED THE BILLIONAIRES!!!"

Maybe OpenAI learned to downvote...

[–] [email protected] 114 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I've seen threads where every single comment, no matter how anodyne, has 1 downvote. Don't bother yourself over it. That way lies madness.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Downvoting for the use of an uncommon word.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (3 children)

anodyne

anodyne /ăn′ə-dīn″/ adjective

  1. Capable of soothing or eliminating pain.
  2. Relaxing. "anodyne novels about country life."
  3. Serving to assuage pain; soothing.

tanks fer noo werd dae fren

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[–] [email protected] 337 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 151 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Honestly this meme is way understating the sinisterness

  • Election interference for money machine
  • Whole internet is ads company
  • Dopamine addiction for all children
  • Superpowers for law enforcement
[–] [email protected] 256 points 2 months ago (16 children)

Yeah! I can't make money running my restaurant if I have to pay for the ingredients, so I should be allowed to steal them. How else can I make money??

Alternatively:

OpenAI is no different from pirate streaming sites in this regard (loosely: streaming sites are way more useful to humanity). If OpenAI gets a pass, so should every site that's been shut down for piracy.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 2 months ago (11 children)

If OpenAI wants a pass, then just like how piracy services make content freely open and available, they should make their models open.

Give me the weights, publish your datasets, slap on a permissive license.

If you're not willing to contribute back to society with what you used from it, then you shouldn't exist within society until you do so.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Piracy steals from the rich and gives to the poor. ChatGPT steals from the rich and the poor and keeps for itself.

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[–] [email protected] 194 points 2 months ago (4 children)

In every other circumstance I can think of, “I can’t make money doing a thing unless I break the law” means don’t do that thing.

Why should AI get special treatment?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Well in almost every other circumstance, you’re forgetting Uber and Airbnb.

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[–] kn0wmad1c 147 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Cool. If OpenAI gets a pass, then piracy should be legal, right? I mean what good is a trademark or copyright law?

Edit: "I can't make money without stealing other people's work" is definitely a take

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 months ago (6 children)

No, see, piracy is just you downloading movies for yourself. To be like OpenAI you need to download it, put it in a pretty package with a bow, then sell it over and over again. Only when it’s piracy for profit do you get to beg and plead for a pass.

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[–] [email protected] 139 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

then perish

If I was exempt from copyright, I too could easily make oodles of money

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

Sounds like an argument slave owners would use. "My plantation can't make money without free labor!"

[–] [email protected] 102 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'm going to start pirating again and if I ever get caught up I'll just inform them I'm training AI models.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but you are not rich, so you will suffer the consequences

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 month ago

I can't make money without using OpenAI's paid products for free.

Checkmate motherfucker

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 month ago (4 children)

If your company can't exist without breaking the law, then it shouldn't exist.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago

Boo fucking hoo. Everyone else has to make licensing agreements for this kind of shit, pay up.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago (4 children)

"Limiting training data to public domain books and drawings created more than a century ago might yield an interesting experiment, but would not provide AI systems that meet the needs of today's citizens."

exactly which “needs” are they trying to meet?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

shareholders' needs, like greater valuation

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

If a company cannot do business without breaking the law it simply is a criminal organisation. RICO act, anyone?

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 month ago

Then OpenAI shouldn’t exist. That’s capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 months ago

Hey, me either. I guess I can steal too.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But if you're the Internet Archive, fuck you its lawsuit time. I hate this cyberpunk present.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You wouldn't download a collection of all the art and knowledge ever documented in the entire history of the known universe...

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 months ago

"WE'RE NOT A VIABLE BUSINESS! BWAH!"

Oh. Oh no. Such a shame.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago

Honestly, that sounds like a You problem, Sam.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago (3 children)

oh good. then fuck off. who knew copyright law would eventually be the good guy in a story.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago (6 children)

It is impossible for my turnip soup business to make money if you enforce laws that make it illegal for me to steal turnips.

Paying for turnips is not realistic.

You bureaucrats don't understand food.

@[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I could make a lot of money too if I could use copyrighted shit for free.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Some idea for others: If OpenAI wins, then use this case when you get busted for sellling bootleg Blu-Rays (since DVDs are long obsolete) from your truck.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"waaaaah please give us exemption so we can profit off of stolen works waaaaaaaahhhhhh"

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn't the problem, it's companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers). The problem is, every worker not working is another adult (and maybe some kids) not eating and not paying rent.

(And for those of you soulless capitalists out there, people without food and shelter is bad. That's a thing we won't tolerate and start looking at you lean-and-hungry-like when it happens. That's what gets us thinking about guillotines hungry for aristocrats.)

In my ideal world, everyone would have food, shelter, clothes, entertainment and a general middle-class lifestyle whether they worked or not, and intellectual-property temporary monopolies would be very short and we'd have a huge public domain. I think the UN wants to be on the same page as me, but the United States and billionaires do not.

All we'd have to worry about is the power demands of AI and cryptomining, which might motivate us to get pure-hydrogen fusion working. Or just keep developing solar, wind, geothermal and tidal power until everyone can run their AC and supercomputer.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago

Bet they get the pass that the Internet Archive didn't.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So say the operators of piracy websites. I'm in favor of media piracy being legalized.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Oh, poor baby can't make money with an illegal business model. How awful.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago

So... they are a non-profit (as they initially were) or a public research lab then. That would perfectly fine to say the path that they chose and so happen to make them unbelievably rich, is not viable.

They don't have a business if they can't legally make profit, it's not that hard. I'm sure people who are pursing superhuman intelligence can figure out that much, if not they can ask their "AI" some help to understand.

What a joke.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (6 children)

They already stole my work. No respect.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (15 children)

If openai gets to use copyrighted content for free, then so should every one else.

If that happens, no point making anything, since your stuff will get stolen anyway

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago

He has committed the greatest crime imaginable! A crime against capitalism!

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Written January of this year

JAN 8, 2:29 PM EST

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

I don’t mind him using copyrighted materials as long as it leads to OpenAI becoming truly open source. Humans can replicate anything found in the wild with minor variations, so AI should have the same access. This is how human creativity builds upon itself. Why limit AI? We already know all the jobs people have will be replaced anyway eventually.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

Even I should get a pass to view copyrighted movies and songs. I need it to train AI (Actual Intelligence).

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