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Hyprland Made Its Way to Debian's Repositories (linuxiac.com)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/linux

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Hyprland is a relatively new name among tiling compositor offerings, but thanks to its impressive features, it is quickly becoming a popular choice among Linux users. If you’re not familiar with it, here’s a brief introduction.

It is a highly customizable, dynamic, lightning-fast tiling Wayland compositor designed to provide a powerful and flexible environment for managing windows and workspaces.

It is also built with performance in mind, resulting in smooth operations, very good performance, and, last but not least, visual appeal to users.

All of these qualities, combined with its avalanche of popularity, have resulted in a well-received message on the Debian developer list, announcing that precompiled Hyprland packages are now added and available to the distribution’s unstable repositories.

Furthermore, the acceptance of Hyprland in Debian can be compared to a wide-open door to a large part of the Linux ecosystem. Being one of the foundations on which today’s Linux world is built, Debian has always been a crucial factor in promoting free software.

Adopting a given one in its repositories means it will become available to millions of users, considering the huge amount of Debian derivatives that use it as their base. It is enough to mention Ubuntu, for example.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The one run by what's called the most toxic community in current Linux?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

Oh seriously?

[–] MadhuGururajan 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not aware of the toxicity... any starting point for this storyline?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Calling it a storyline makes it seem like you already don't believe it.

https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcement.html

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Drew demonstrated pretty remarkable patience there.

[–] FizzyOrange 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

TL;DR (there should be an open source drama summarising website!):

Hazing someone in your discord because they have pronouns in their bio

Speaking pretty bluntly against queer people and minorities at large

"at 15 he doesnt even know what he will be studying at uni and he already wanna go get AIDS?"

"I think this server's motto should be 'love guns, hate damn minorities'"

[–] refalo 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

there should be an open source drama summarising website

https://github.com/neodrama/github-drama is the closest thing I know of, but only covers things on github. lunduke usually covers a good bit of drama also. even mentioning his name on gnome forums is an instant auto-ban.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

That's insane

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The lead dev thought it was no big deal that the moderators of his official discord server were going out of their way to harass trans people. Then when someone said "hey this isn't okay" he was like "why am I to blame I didn't do it"

[–] technom 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He didn't just wash off his hands. When asked in an interview about a moderator who edited a trans user's profile to intentionally misgendering them (yup, even that's not off limits for their mods), he justified it saying that 'It's not like using the N-word or something'. (For context, the n-word itself was innocuous. It gained notoriety due to its misuse by bigots like this).

There are several such examples - repeatedly even after being called out. I don't belong to any diversity groups. But I don't care if they make the world's best operating system. I will stay well away from it if only to avoid any interaction with such a group. They're a bit too happy about harassing people (not just transgenders either).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

100%. I wanted to summarize things as succinctly as possible but its basically impossible to deny this person is a complete bastard

[+] refalo -9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

This is why I'm too afraid to contribute to open source anymore. It's always something. Anything you say can offend somebody now, and if you offend the wrong person, they can take the whole project down with them.

You can't even just stick to the code, because people call that political too... "silence is violence" and whatnot.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's really not difficult be a decent person, and if you do make a mistake, a genuine apology is usually all you need to make things right.

People aren't offended because Vaxry made a mistake, it's because he doesn't admit and apologize for his mistakes. Instead he goes out of his way to justify his behavior, the discord mod's, and the general transphobic culture in his server.

I'm 100% certain that if Vaxry just said something like "yeah I'm sorry about what happened, we won't tolerate transphobia in our discord server from now on" (and actively enforced that) after Drew dropped his blog post, he wouldn't be banned from freedesktop and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[–] refalo 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The problem is "decent" is subjective and not everyone agrees on what that means exactly. And you simply can't reason with some people. To that end I would say it can actually be extremely difficult or impossible to get some people to conform to your own idea of what's decent.

Some people want to "keep politics out of things" (or whatever you prefer to define their actions/inactions as) without realizing that it's impossible. For example someone might not even want to discuss what is or isn't transphobia, or whether or not that should be allowed, because that itself is political to them, but NOT handling it (or deferring to moderators) might not be seen as political to them, even if others disagree. IMO nobody is "right" or "wrong", they just have a difference in opinion.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago

Man... And this is why companies have lawyers lol

You can't expect a dev to understand how this shot is clown lol

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The main dev, Vaxry, is a transphobic fascist shithead. To such an extent that he's been banned from contributing to freedesktop.

He's also an immense ass when commenting on issues on his own repos.

Hyprland itself is decent, though breaking changes happen frequently. And the plugin manager is a complete mess.

I got so sick of dealing with breaking changes, and seeing his stupid fucking aryan anime avatar constantly reminded me of how shit of a person Vaxry is, that I just said "fuck it" and switched over to Plasma 6, and haven't really looked back.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

Yeah. Like... I can't think hyprland offers enough to make it worth promoting. Its like... Yeah Drake put out some tracks than when they show up in my feed I like until I realize its that massive piece of shit. You can't really have death of the author when the author gains more audience through hype of their output. I'd recommend people interested in hyprland look at river, sway, or dwl instead

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Appreciate the context

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (4 children)

The site has blocked entire IP range of my country I wonder why? Hmm

[–] odium 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Canada?

[–] MadhuGururajan 8 points 3 months ago

not available in India too

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Not blocked for me, so no

EDIT: Also, is that a Stormlight reference?

[–] odium 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Indeed it is

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Love it. Book 5 in December :))))

[–] technom 2 points 3 months ago

Oh man! I hate CF! The scummy gatekeepers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Or your country blocked it?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago

You don't happen to be Russian or Chinese do you?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why would you ever package Hyprland on Debian that seems extremely stupid. Hyprland is not very stable and is constantly requiring updates. This is going to result in a ton of outdated bug reports.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Hyprland is not very stable and is constantly requiring updates.

That's why for now it is only distributed in unstable repo, I guess.

Anyway, I'll stick to the plain and simple Sway.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The good thing with packages on Debian is, they have to create it once in a lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not really as there is a lot of testing that goes into Stable

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Oh yes, it's a joke, not really serious about it. :D I'm just making fun of Debian being slower on updates for the end user (which is the point of a slow stable release model).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I am not a user. I am a Linux enjoyer!!!