57k€ for someone with Rust experience?!
Maybe that "Rewriting things in Rust is just to get rid of old people that can command high salaries" LinkedIn Lunatic was right after all...
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While they don't write it explicitly I think they're looking for a good junior developer, given that:
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they are not asking for Rust work experience, instead for good Rust knowledge and experience with open source development, both of which you can obtain on your own if you're a competent student
- but also, is there even anyone that has experience in Rust and compiler/interpreter/typesetting development and is looking for a job? If they did require that almost nobody would qualify and the cycle of "I don't have experience for applying to this job to get experience" would continue
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57k€ is not a bad salary for a junior developer in Europe
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the two founders have graduated recently (~3 years ago) and have been working on Typst since then (their master thesis was on creating Typst itself), so it's likely they are looking for someone like them.
Once upon a time, a "meaningful wage" was something that would allow you to raise a family of 4 while living a comfortable middle class standard of living.
57k€ gross salary in Berlin amounts to ~3360€ per month net income. Rent alone will eat 30-40% of that.
You can survive on that salary, which is more than most people are managing to do nowadays. But to think that someone with such specialized competency should expect a "not bad" salary shows a pretty sad state of affairs.
Rent eating 30-40% of your income is extremely normal, isn't it? Or is that only true in the US (where it has recently become much more than that for many people)?
You missed the last paragraph, didn't you?
I don't know about you, but I don't think we should accept to be working for less or to accept a lower standard of living just because so many people have it worse.
As long as your work is:
- honest
- ethical
- providing real value to whoever is paying for it
- not pushing externalities for others
Then "what is normal" should have no bearing in this.
Okay, what I meant was, is rent taking 30% really indicative of a low standard of living?
Not so much of a good measure of how you live but on how much (or little) people are left for other things, including saving/investing towards their own homes.
I feel like we're talking past each other. My impression was that 30% towards your living situation is a pretty decent target; what would you expect the percentage to be?
I will paraphrase my father: "it doesn't matter how much money you are making if you are spending most of it. If you want to build wealth, you need to look at how much you can set aside every month".
what would you expect the percentage to be?
A lot less. When I was single and sharing an apartment, I'd pay 600€ on a ~4000€ netto salary. 10 years, a marriage and two kids later, our place is about 1400€ even when our combined income was 3.5x as much.
In addition to the high likelihood that they are asking for an advanced junior dev "Picking between an Arc<T>, a Box<T>, and an &T is second nature to you." (Not that advanced of a skill), even if they have a closed source webapp, they are still predominantly open source (that position is for that part), they don't have much money. For that it's not great, but not horrible either.
The web app seems to be mostly wasm based as well. So probably no ja only html and CSS at most.
It makes sense if they hire middles, not seniors
Lol what a weird ass conspiracy theory take to waste my time reading
Their making a valid point though in this context
They're claiming this being representative of the rust space and that rust is being pushed to drive out expense seniors. You think that's a valid point to make?
He was only joking. And to be clear, i'm speaking of the commenter in this thread
57k is more than decent for a junior, what are you talking about.
57k for a junior was "decent" in Berlin 10 years ago for anyone that could spell Javascript. Nowadays it falls squarely into "I'll take this job because it's better than nothing" territory.
Job's remote/hybrid though. I've never lived in Berlin but where I work now juniors get 55k€, and probably don't have as much fun here as they would in a young Rust-using startup. IDK if I were a fresh grad I'd try my luck there
Worth pointing out it could be fully remote, but France or Germany residence is required. From what I heard it's an accounting issue for them, explained as each country needs their own accounting scheme, which, as an EU citizen, seems like a skill issue to me.
it is a skill issue
a bit low, innit
Not unreasonable in Germany but it's a weirdly narrow band. €57-61k?
Yeah I would love that job but I can find rust jobs for twice that salary ...
In Europe, not in cryptobullshit? Find me one.
Yes, yes and no.
Riiight
I want to apply just so I can pronounce it "tipst" during the whole interview.
What, like an anglophone who can't tell the difference between the i and y sounds?
(Or do the anglos actually pronounce it "tajpst"?)
It's clearly intended to be typist, an English word. It's spelled tipst/taipst.
The y sound is ambiguous without a known pronunciation (tryst is pronounced trist not traist)
Honestly, I pronounce it differently and now I'm a bit more paranoid.
It's like when I called LaTeX latex and my friend burst out laughing.
Another hard CS problem dropped: pronouncing project names.
Or people who think nginx is pronounced engine rather than en-jynx...like hijinks 😱
I also thought latex was latex and I tell you what, I have no plan to correct that error. Because it's very clearly not an error. It's latex. I would also accept Le têx in a super french accent :)
Yeah, it's at best enginex.
Is it not pronounced /leiteks/?
Apoarently it's, and forgive my lack of proper notation, la-tech.
Nah, I refuse to buckle to this nonsense. I’ll pronounce latex even harder now.
Man, I'd love that, if only the pay was better... but than again, if the pay was better I'd be even less qualified. But typst is awesome, all the best wishes for the team including the new hire :)
all genders
Uhm what?
It's a German thing. We've got a male and female form for pretty much all jobs. However it's not allowed to discriminate against gender. So pretty much all job listings have mwd for ~~men white Deutsch (german)~~ men women diverse with only the male form.
Because an international audience wouldn't understand it, they posted it as all genders.
As an added bonus it keeps Americans away.
As an enby that's considering fleeing the USA, I'd note that it only discourages the most awful Americans. XD
There's some interest in attracting non-awful people from the US. Get a bit of a brain drain going from there:)
I'm very interested, and anxiously awaiting my passport.
Never tried changing my name or gender marker but I'm still worried they'll make up some excuse to deny me anyway.
Excuse: "Who would want leave America? Is such perfect country! Back to asbestos mines with you!"
Ah makes sense, thanks.
We’ve got a male and female form for pretty much all jobs
You mean like gendered versions of the words for jobs? Or what do you mean?
Yeah. Most they get gendered with appending -in to the words. Like Fahrer and Fahrerin.