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[–] [email protected] 77 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

The fact that they're creating a crown corporation to build homes on public and private land is huge. This includes prefab and modular homes too. They're even committing to using Canadian lumber.

We cannot contunue to rely on capitulating to and deregulating private developers and expecting them to act in any way other than own self-interest. They have no incentive to bring down the cost of homes. It is now crystal clear that the neo-liberal solution does not work.

A crown corporation that exists to create housing rather than maximize shareholder value is a massive step in the right direction. Frankly, I'm surprised Carney is doing this but happy about it all the same.

I expect Carney to get pushback from Doug Ford who is firmly in the pocket of private real estate investors.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

We cannot contunue to rely on capitulating to and deregulating private developers and expecting them to act in any way other than own self-interest. They have no incentive to bring down the cost of homes. It is now crystal clear that the neo-liberal solution does not work.

I'm hoping to see more details about how production will be split. The article/release describes the new organization as both overseeing and building. I really want the emphasis to be on building, since that will allow them to push down sale or rental costs of the final product. .

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I listened to his speech. He's talking in no uncertain terms that he's going for a post-war style build-out. He also pointed out that the market hasn't delivered and won't solve our housing crisis.

This is exactly what's need on high level.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I agree, but I'm also acutely aware that it is campaign season, and the LPC has a nasty habit of running left and governing right.

If we wind up with a Liberal minority with Conservatives in opposition, or with a Liberal majority, I honestly fully expect this to get dropped or strategically undermined the way electoral reform did.

In other words, we're gonna have to be ready to fight for it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

100%

That said, I think there's a better chance this to materialize because I think Carney knows he'll lose the next election if he doesn't deliver on this file. This isn't 2015 when things were not great but tolerable. We have a huge homeless population which is not limited to the largest cities anymore, and the cost of housing is hitting every part of the economy. The knife has hit the bone for way more people today than even a few years ago. So while I completely agree with the skepticism, I have a sliver more optimism this time around.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

I've been concerned that we might get a giant influx of Americans, who have more purchasing power with that strong USD and would price Canadians out of any and all housing. Plus building aggressively like this is a good stimulus to the economy. Let's hope it works.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

OK, this sounds like a real plan. I really like they are paying attention to prefab construction.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Prefab is not as useful as it sounds. Houses are already factory made - they just bring the factory to the site on a truck. Most of the parts are already pre-cut in a separate factory, only a small minority need to be cut. They just take parts and put them together.

Most prefab attempts are cheaper only because quality standards are lower.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

? Woodframe construction starts with lifts of lumber dropped onsite after a basement is poured, you cut what you need as you go off the prints. You'll probably get a truss package and chances are you'll have your trilam and silentfloor joists delivered at the correct lengths or slightly long, that's about it for pre-made pieces. I've helped a relative frame new houses over the winter for the last 5 or 6 years.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh I was referring to prefab for multistorey buildings, where concrete elements are prefabricated.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

About fucking time. Fifteen years later , but better late than never.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wait another 15 years before everything goes to shit.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They should be pushing to restrict these rental company assholes from buying all the houses and preventing potential owners from getting them. "Landlord" is not a job.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

They should only allow Build Canada Homes to sell to first time home buyers, Co-operatives, and not-for-profit Community Land Trust.

Corporate and "mom and pop" investors must be barred from buying these units. Otherwise, the problem will not go away.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Force the rich to sell their multiple houses too. Tax their wealth and they won't have a choice. 3rd homes should get taxed at 10% of their value or more. Let's stop kidding around. That'll force them to divest fast as fuck.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I have a question for you.

What percentage of Canadian homes are owned by a single person or family who has 3 or more properties?

What if I told you that number is so small that your argument is great rage bait, but realistically useless?

65% of residential properties in Canada are owned by the family that lives in them, another very large chunk is dedicated rental apartments, then there's a ton of second properties like cottages, etc., then of course there are people who have a second property for rental, but the number left remaining for people with a third property (for themselves or rental) is less than a couple percent of the total housing market.

Go ahead and implement that tax, it's not going to hurt anyone I care about, but if you expect any noticeable effect on the housing market you're not thinking logically about the situation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"It doesn't effect people, even if people are upset about it, so why should we do anything" is not a good and effective way for a government to work.

The same trust in self-governing is what made the Internet the shithole that we're dealing with now. I'd rather the parties make an adjustment before something is abused, not after.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Nobody in this goddamned world has ever heard the term "preventative" I swear to God.

You don't brush your teeth when you start getting cavities. You brush to prevent them.

You don't install seatbelts after you've been ejected from your car. You get a car that already has seatbelts and airbags.

Vaccines, healthy foods, routine hardware maintenance (cars, computers, etc), exercise and stretches... You're supposed to do and get things BEFORE you have the problems they solve.

We really really need to get into the habit, as a species, of trying to prevent bad things before they happen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Show me the numbers. I only found numbers on multiple home owners, but not how many homes they have.

Also, I wasn't saying it should be the only measure. Nowhere did I say that.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

This is exciting news!

Now, what do we do when our Provincial or Municipal governments become the barrier to housing? Because lord knows that Doug Ford is fully capable of screwing this up.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The plan announced today by the Liberals would create a new federal housing entity that the party says would oversee affordable housing construction, speed up construction and provide financing to homebuilders.

Carney says the new agency, Build Canada Homes, would act as a developer to build affordable housing at scale, including on public lands, and develop and manage projects.

I really want to see the details on this one.

The second paragraph suggests BCH would do the building, while the first paragraph's "oversee" suggests existing developers would do the work. If BCH will finance construction, control where/what gets built, and control the final cost to buyers, then this has the potential to sell decent housing at below-market prices. That could start diffusing the housing crisis (although other reforms are necessary to improve costs in the near term).

That would be very different from what the Liberals and CPC have been proposing so far, which is to ask developers to pwetty pwease lower sale costs by making it easier and cheaper to build. It's hard to be optimistic given their track record.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

Would love if the government is finally going back to its strategy from the 70s and taking charge here to build affordable housing instead of waiting for magical altruist developer unicorns to swoop in and save us.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds like the new entity would do all of the above. Which makes sense. If they're builders willing to build what the government wants, they'll gett the money. But the government won't wait for such developers to volunteer. Instead it'll start the development itself, perhaps hiring developers to execute the actual building.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But the government won't wait for such developers to volunteer. Instead it'll start the development itself, perhaps hiring developers to execute the actual building.

That's what I'm afraid of: Canadian transit has suffered due to that kind of public/private partnership.

Whatever arrangement the new crown corporation arrives at, I hope they're able to keep costs down.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

In the video this article is based on, Carney says he will create an entity called "Build Canada Homes" that "will act as a developer on new, affordable housing projects."

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Anytime someone wants to build housing, they better be increasing regulations to prohibit investment housing. Housing is meant to give people shelter and home, not make investors rich.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

As long as most of this money goes mainly towards high density housing, it's not a whole lot but infinitely better than what I was hearing just a few days ago. We don't need houses three hours drive away from work, but homes where people can not only live in, but around.

I really hope this new organization will have the power to ignore NIMBY organizations while listening to city councils for advice. At the very least I hope they get things done directly plotting out and signing building contracts rather than simply instructing and funding individual municipalities and delegating. We can't have people divert this desperately needed money for homes to be diverted towards private projects and making political buddies wealthier.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

double Canada’s rate of residential construction housing over the next decade to nearly 500,000 new homes per year.

So it sounds like the goal is 500k houses a year at the end of a decade. I assume that means 230k-ish this year, slowly ramping to 500k in 2035. It only needs to be an extra 27k/year to make that goal.

CMHC says we need ~3.5 million houses by 2030 to get housing costs back to reasonable levels. I really want this proposal to be good, but it doesn't seem like it will be enough.

Is it better than nothing? That depends on who controls the final prices, and how much gets built.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm willing to give a 2nd chance after a decade

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I understand the commendable instinct to give another chance, but this isn't about a one-time broken promise - it's about a century-long pattern. Liberals have promised proportional representation since 1919, starting with Mackenzie King.

The 2015 promise wasn't just casually broken - Trudeau literally admitted last year that Liberals were "deliberately vague" to appeal to electoral reform advocates while never intending to implement proportional representation.

Just last year, 107 Liberal MPs (68.6% of their caucus) voted against even creating a Citizens' Assembly to study electoral reform, despite 76% of Canadians supporting it.

This isn't about partisan politics - it's about our declining democracy. Canada's effective number of parties is down to 2.76, showing we're sliding toward an American-style two-party system under Duverger's Law.

In a democracy, citizens deserve representation. Every election under FPTP means millions of perfectly valid votes are discarded. How many more decades should we wait?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is an amzing comment. Thank you soo o much for the links.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Just a Canadian concerned about democracy!

Here are some more links: Simple things you can do to grow the proportional representation movement.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

As you'd expect from the central banker whiz kid, he has creative policy ideas. I'm pretty excited to see the budget split into separate maintenance and investment budgets if he gets in, and now this.

That being said, there's definite notes of what Gould was talking about here. It's just way, way more focused and detailed. I'd give a summery, but the CBC version, at least, already feels like a summery.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

non paywalled: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-double-pace-home-building-1.7497947

It's something. Not clear it has to be public-private partnership, or focus on manufactured housing. 4 story apartment buildings is a good mix of density and low cost. CMHC made a lot of this post war baby boom.

Seems like some of the funding is for this.

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