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For instance, this one (link to a post to [email protected]): https://reddthat.com/post/20260613
Pasting it in your search bar should give you this kind of results:
You can then click on it to access the post from your instance (in this example, lemmy.zip: https://lemmy.zip/post/16918691)
There's a bunch of browser extensions as well to add a "show on my instance" link whenever it detects a Lemmy instance page which basically does the same thing automatically for you, pretty useful.
Then the technology behind that extention needs to be built into Lemmy itself.
I get how this concept works now, but I keep saying that if Lemmy wants to grow it needs to be idiot inviting. The kind of place where you don't need to think. The kind of place where you don't need to learn.
Because Lemmy growing means people who are not part of Lemmy, JOINING Lemmy. The thing is, I feel like techie linux users already know about Lemmy, and if they aren't using it, it's by choice. For whatever reason. But the type of people who choose to use Linux are a tiny tiny slice of society.
But then you look to the rest of the world. And guess what. We're all idiots out here. My dad who's 80 years old still calls his Windows XP machine "that new fangled crap". He USES Windows XP, but only because his Windows 3.1 machine died in 2005, and radioshack didn't carry any new Windows 3.1 machines.
So now every week I get a call to help him with tech support. That call usually lasts like 12 minutes. First me argueing with him to reboot, and him refusing to reboot. Him getting angrier and angrier that I'm treating him like a child, and then a few minutes later the reboot finishes. In the past 8 years his problem was always solved by a reboot. He never tries rebooting before calling me.
He may be an extreme example, but these people are out there. Idiots are the bulk of society. If the idiots don't know what is happening, they get frustrated and leave. That's what this world is. Politics, religion, business, doesn't matter who's running what, it's all supported by mass idiots.
So the choice is, do you want a small platform full of people capable of tying their shoes, or do you want a much larger more active platform full of idiots?
Thats the two ends of the spectrum.
To be fair, Lemmy is super alpha software. It'll take months and years before the platform is mature and more user friendly and has an ecosystem of really good apps.
We're like, emails just got invented era of fediverse. It's having to explain that yes, if you have a Yahoo address you can still email Hotmail users 2 decades ago all over again.
Now that the big ones like Threads and Bluesky are joining, users will be more familiar with the concepts and it'll get less... confusing.
He’s still using XP?? I’m guessing his computer isn’t online then?
Well.....not now, but thats only because ACP ran out of funding. Which only happened last month. Once he finds another free way to get internet he'll be back. Just to browse foodnetwork.com everyday.
Was about to ask if there was a way to do this automatically. Does anyone know why this isn't baked into the Lemmy codebase? I'm thinking this would be pretty easy with browser cookies. 🤔
It would have to go through some sort of Lemmy link redirector service because a site can't access another site's cookies. And even then, with third-party cookie sandboxing, that still wouldn't work.
I don't think this is solvable without a browser extension. The best the devs could do is let you enter your home instance URL on each instance such that eventually you've configured them all and it works. But the extensions are just plain better.
Why would you need another site's browser cookies?
Because if you're on say, lemmy.world because you clicked such a link, lemmy.world has no way of knowing what your home instance is. The cookies are all sandboxed for lemmy.world's use. So even if you used a third-party site whose sole purpose is to know your home instance, it still wouldn't work because now third-party cookies are sandboxes based on the domain of the site you're visiting.
That used to be possible with a third-party. That's how the Facebook like buttons and Login with Google used to work, and those are also the reason it's no longer possible. You used to be able to just embed some JS from a third-party on a site, and that JS can access cookies from the third-party site while also being directly callable from the site that embedded it. So in that case, we could agree on a third-party lemmy redirector service whose sole purpose is to store the user's home instance in a cookie and then the script can be embedded everywhere and it would be able to spit out the URL from the cookie. But that hole's been plugged. So even if you do that, it doesn't work anymore because of stronger cookie sandboxes. But that's why you'd need third-party cookies to pull it off.
So the only fix left for this is, every lemmy instance you visit, you have to set your home instance on it, which would set a cookie that the site can actually see, then it could redirect you to your home instance to view the post. But that still kinda sucks, because you have to do it for every instance you run across.
So, cookies are useless for this.
You're missing the point. You should never leave your home instance. Lemmy could automatically remap links to whatever your home instance is before you ever click on them.
Some UIs do, I have Tesseract on mine and it rewrites the links for me.
That doesn't solve sharing a link on Matrix/Discord/Google or wherever. I rarely have this issue on Lemmy itself, but whenever I get a link from elsewhere, that's when I need to be able to open it on my home instance so I can interact with it.
Same deal with Mastodon. You're reading some news, it links so the dev's Mastodon, you need a way to open it in your home instance.
There's no fixing that.
EDIT: test self link to this comment https://lemmy.world/comment/10561034
This is what that looks like on a good Lemmy frontend:
I forgot the default UI didn't do that. Both Tesseract and Boost handle those mostly just fine.
Yeah, 3rd party links are a tougher nut to crack. You'd think they could at least fix the local links, though.
I can think of a few potential solutions, but they'd all require a lot of user opt in and centralisation, which makes it unlikely to ever happen.
I generally agree with you.
However, I want to encourge you to consider softening up your replies to people who you don't have a strong prior social connection with. I've started making an effort to do that and I've found that I'm having more rewarding conversations now.
That's very different from what I think people generally want by default, which is that when you're on lemmy.world, it's because that's your home instance and any links to other instances would be automatically converted to the lenmy.world version of the post or comment by default (as long as the two instances are federated).
Anyone that wants more could find a browser plugin or script, but every new user with an account of any instance would have an initial experience that's much less confusing and more consistent and pleasant.
I haven't encountered that particular one in a while. Usually it's Lemmy links from elsewhere like Matrix or Discord or whatever that are annoying to deal with and needs redirecting.
Most apps seems to rewrite the links already just fine, at least Tesseract does. It's not like the default UI is known to be good. It's functional but the UX is terrible.
I think it is solvable. Your instance keeps track of the instances it is connected with. It could just do the search and find the post on your own instance if the domain is among the connected other instances.
EDIT: Right, it doesn't fix the problem of stumbling upon a link to a fediverse instance somewhere else. Not sure how you could deal with that one
A website can access another site's cookies if the first party domain explicitly allows them, which would need to happen in this case. Sure, admins would have to allow which sites can access the cookie. But at least that burden is placed on admins vs the users.
Browser extensions arent secure and many mobile browsers dont support them, so that wouldnt be a proper solution. A lot of users use Lemmy on their mobile phones.
It's not implimented because the developers of lemmy have been prioritizing other issues and features. They say they're open to code contributions, so someone would have to volunteer to do it.
I'm use Lemmy Link by fcuks, but it seems to work only for whole sublemmies, not posts. Is there a browser extension which works for posts as well?
The Lemmy Universal Link Switcher is awesome
Wow, that script is incredible. Thanks for sharing! You've saved me several minutes per day!
I love how it adds a button to view the original link as well.
I've been using a GreaseMonkey script to do that, I can't find the exact one I used but there's a bunch that do posts too, and extensions.
That looks to be it, I recognize the long long list of instances in the code.
Is it the best? Don't know but it works well enough.
Is it the best?
In my experience, yes. Definitely the best one.
All the other ones I tried are much worse.
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I would love to have domain agnostic URL for lemmy posts. It's not easy to copy and paste from mobile and having multiple redundant URLs like instance.tld/post/12345 and another.tld/post/98765 leads to a discoverability problem.
Yes, definitely! Using the [email protected] works well for communities, but linking to posts is a bit of a headache honestly.
Thanks @[email protected] and I think @[email protected] who made me realize not everyone was aware of this
I was also not aware of this. If the Lemmy software can do this, doesn't that mean there should be a way for apps and web interfaces to do this automatically?
Tesseract has for a while, but I'm not sure which, if any, other frontends do.
I forgot that was even a problem because of it 😂
Eternity and Thunder seem to most of the time, but it occasionally fails, even for non-obscure instances.
Good to know. And just good in general. lol. It was a fairly simple feature to implement, and I was hoping more UIs would adopt something like that.
Yeah it is counter-intuitive to me. e.g. the URL of this actual OP (not the one used in your example, but this meta-one) appearing in my browser is "https://discuss.online/post/8717646", although its origin is "https://reddthat.com/post/20423663", and e.g. from Lemmy.World it is "https://lemmy.world/post/16390207", from sh.itjust.works it is "https://sh.itjust.works/post/20655918", there's https://dubvee.org/post/dubvee.org/1318278, and https://lemmy.max-p.me/post/lemmy.max-p.me/1264377, and https://programming.dev/post/15341414, and so on - all with different values.
Yet putting it into the search box manages the translation to find the correct post. There are so many areas of Lemmy that still lack polish - and K/Mbin even more so - but here is a great feature that is there yet people don't even realize that.
I am curious: how did you even know to try that - is it written in the docs somewhere, or you just tried it and it worked?
I am curious: how did you even know to try that - is it written in the docs somewhere, or you just tried it and it worked?
Someone else told me this. Seems like it's kind of a secret Lemmy technique that is passed from person to person ha ha
And now you have shared this with us all, asking for no remuneration just that we use & enjoy, in true FOSS style - awesome!:-)
Someone closer to the developers than you are ?
I mean, I saw it on a post somewhere
I feel like linking is one of the things that is still pretty broken in the fediverse. I'm not sure it's fixable. Ideally, any link would open in a chosen app, on my home instance. And I don't use the same instance for Lemmy, Masto, etc.
Now to get kbin/mbin to play nice with Lemmy and show that too
did they implement this in the recent release? the last time i tried this it didn't work.
Doesn't necessarily make images load though, so I still have no idea what meme everyone is commenting on.
Hey so check out what I just learned:
To post a link to a post, just search for the URL of the fediverse-icon version of it on your instance, then link directly to that search, chopping off the https://{your instance} from the front
And likewise for links to comments
You're still making the user do 2 clicks instead of 1, but it's still quite a lot more convenient than the other thing. It could be made even nicer (arguably "good enough") if the backend could transparently redirect to the first search result along the lines of "I'm feeling lucky," but it doesn't look like right now it can do that.
No I don't think comments works that way. For one, your search returns no results when accessed from on my instance, or from lemmy.world, etc. And for another, I have seen comments have different numerical tags after the instance name - e.g. mousing over the chain link icon vs. the colored fediverse graph sign icon shows the different values there.
Hm. So I understand the different comment IDs on different servers -- the point is that searching for https://discuss.online/comment/9004867 on lemmy.world should then return a link to that same comment, with the right ID number for lemmy.world, on lemmy.world. Because through its federation backend it's able to fetch the comment in question from discuss.online and then determine what is the local ID number on lemmy.world. Exactly the same as how it works for posts.
I just mucked around with it, and it works sometimes but not other times. I suspect that it's because of backed up federation queues or too-short timeouts or something, but it definitely works some of the time. If it's unreliable it may not be that good an idea to put into practice, though, of course.
Here is an excellent comment from 3 days ago, so it should be federated everywhere by now? I just shared that link with someone else in fact, in an unrelated reply. I then went to Lemmy.World and searched for that link, but it does not find the original, although it does find my recent sharing of it. I also searched on reddthat.com, and saw the same behavior. And lemm.ee as well. So the "sometimes it works" effect may have some additional not-entirely-characterized triggers for that behavior, but it definitely does not work all the time as a "find this comment" feature as we are discussing.
So as it now stands there is a way to use this search feature to find posts, but not reliably to find comments. Though that is still more than I knew a week ago before Blaze shared this trick with me then:-).
You can do the same in mastodon. It's great.