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If you studied loads of classic art then started making your own would that be a derivative work? Because that's how AI works.

The presence of watermarks in output images is just a side effect of the prompt and its similarity to training data. If you ask for a picture of an Olympic swimmer wearing a purple bathing suit and it turns out that only a hundred or so images in the training match that sort of image--and most of them included a watermark--you can end up with a kinda-sorta similar watermark in the output.

It is absolutely 100% evidence that they used watermarked images in their training. Is that a problem, though? I wouldn't think so since they're not distributing those exact images. Just images that are "kinda sorta" similar.

If you try to get an AI to output an image that matches someone else's image nearly exactly... is that the fault of the AI or the end user, specifically asking for something that would violate another's copyright (with a derivative work)?

...in the same way that someone who's read a lot of books can make money by writing their own.

I hate to break this to you but that means you're not normal. If all you ever do in chat is talk about serious things that are of such earth-shattering importance that it would be incredibly rude and obnoxious for someone to post a silent looping video you're not normal, and no fun at all.

The way Element currently works, it's made for people like you... A strange minority that probably only thinks about "chat" in terms of communicating for an end goal and not for the pleasure of conversation.

I wasn't being pedantic. It's a very fucking important distinction.

If you want to say "unethical" you say that. Law is an orthogonal concept to ethics. As anyone who's studied the history of racism and sexism would understand.

Furthermore, it's not clear that what Meta did actually was unethical. Ethics is all about how human behavior impacts other humans (or other animals). If a behavior has a direct negative impact that's considered unethical. If it has no impact or positive impact that's an ethical behavior.

What impact did OpenAI, Meta, et al have when they downloaded these copyrighted works? They were not read by humans--they were read by machines.

From an ethics standpoint that behavior is moot. It's the ethical equivalent of trying to measure the environmental impact of a bit traveling across a wire. You can go deep down the rabbit hole and calculate the damage caused by mining copper and laying cables but that's largely a waste of time because it completely loses the narrative that copying a billion books/images/whatever into a machine somehow negatively impacts humans.

It is not the copying of this information that matters. It's the impact of the technologies they're creating with it!

That's why I think it's very important to point out that copyright violation isn't the problem in these threads. It's a path that leads nowhere.

Hah! I came here to make this exact comment.

I went and looked it up:

Nationally, undocumented immigrants pay $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022.

From: https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/undocumented-immigrants-pay-1-8-billion-in-florida-taxes-a-year-national-study-finds#:~:text=Nationally%2C%20undocumented%20immigrants%20pay%20%2496.7,billion%20in%20additional%20tax%20revenue. (First search result)

Every trip in a truck with an empty bed is a waste. Tooling around with stuff in the bed without the intent to deliver/use it at your destination is even worse.

Yet that describes 99.99999% of all pickup truck use in America. Just a huge ass waste of gas and space in parking lots.

Trucks are expensive too! If I were a scam artist I would definitely be targeting people driving shiny pickup trucks with empty beds. Because they definitely aren't practical or realistic people.

Wait: Maybe that's how MAGA started? 🤔

This image has me thinking about what a post-apocalyptic world would look like if the society weren't industrial but instead went with the fantasy, "we live in custom-grown enormous trees" sort of environment. Would it even look post-apocalyptic? 🤔

Maybe magic-reinforced stuff would still exist but be covered in weeds/vines. Like a really overgrown suspension bridge that looks sketchy AF but is actually super sturdy because of the enchantment.

There's a fine line between "artisanal" and "insanity". Post the end result when you're done so we can judge for ourselves 😁👍

This is a high quality meme 👍

I meant it as: You can be a man baby and still be correct. The two are not mutually exclusive.

...but don't let me stop you from overreacting to random, silly comments said in jest like a man baby 👍

Yeah it's probably just a client side issue but the OP mentioned Element, specifically 🤷

I just wanted to point out that Element is no fun! No fun at all!

It works and it works great for what it does. Even voice and streaming are great with Element. It's just got a terrible, no-fun interface and pointless limitations on things like looping videos. You can't even configure it to make them play properly (as in, automatic and endlessly, the way they were meant to be played! 😤).

Looping videos and animated emojis are super fun ways to chat with people. Even in professional settings! It really breaks up the humdrum and can motivate people to chat and share more.

Element is all serious all the time and going into a chat channel there feels like a chore.

The person making claims is the one that needs to provide the evidence. Anyone spreading unverified rumors should be viewed like The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

In order for a rumor or something like naked pictures to be effective in its purpose of bringing you down or blackmailing you it must cause emotional distress. If you don't take it seriously--or even better, don't give a shit about what random strangers say--it can't have power over you.

We don't live in tiny, closely-tied villages anymore. A rumor about you may be on the Internet forever but it'll be about as believable as a "hot singles in your area" ad and the likelihood of someone even finding it goes down over time as it gets drowned out by all the other bullshit that exists.

Even celebrities that are famous for doing stupid shit are finding that nobody remembers their past failings anymore. And they'll have hundreds to thousands of real news articles about their idiocy out there, ready for anyone to read.