A reason is an explanation. An excuse is an attempt to shift responsibility.

Many people will create a disingenuous reason to absolve themselves of responsibility.

For instance, if someone sleeps in and leaves home 15 minutes late in the morning and arrives to work late, they may honestly say, "traffic was terrible on highway 7." And while it's true that if traffic had magically been nice that day they'd have made it on time, the honest reason they're late is because they slept in. The traffic is their excuse.

This isn't really a neurotypical vs atypical thing. Some people are just assholes and want to exert control over others/don't value the reasoning of others.

Not autistic, but I teach people with mild cases of autism.

The "excuse" I most often hear is that they haven't started doing the work they're supposed to be doing, because they didn't have their computer there.

That's less of a reason and more of an excuse, because the solution is easy for these kids. "Go get the computer". They know they can, and in fact often do.

The real reason is that they'd rather sit and chat with their friends instead of doing work (who doesn't?), and if they were honest about that, I'd appreciate it a lot more.

Often, I guess you could equate an excuse to a "bad reason".

I always viewed the difference as intent and not mutually exclusive. reason explains your thought process, actions, and events. Excuse are reasons presented in a manor meant to shift responsibility.

An excuse removes responsibility.

A reason does not.

"You are excused" means you no longer are responsible for the outcome.

"I literally wasn't present when it happened, so I'm not responsible for the outcome" < excuse, which can be valid

"I knew what was going to happen, here is why I did it for a good reason" < reason

Example: three kids are present, 2 are graffiti'ing the back of a house

When caught, 1 kid says "I was trying to stop them, they wouldn't listen". This is an excuse, they're claiming they aren't at fault and not responsible for the graffiti.

Another says "the home owner deserved it, he's an asshole", this is a reason as they are clearly not avoiding responsibility.

When you try and use an excuse to get out of something thar you clearly are responsible for, that's when you will get served the "I dont want an excuse" line.

I think some people just aren’t looking for a answer, they just want to bitch.

This is most often when there’s nothing wrong with the way you’ve done something, it’s just not the way they do it.

So, preface - not neurotypical, but I dont really struggle with this sort of thing personally. At least I think so lol.

An excuse is a reason. One dictionary definition is "a reason that you give to explain why you did something wrong." When you have done something wrong, people don't usually want the reasons. They want contrition, or help resolving it. Also note another dictionary definition - "a false reason that you give to explain why you do something." There is a perception that any reason given after doing something wrong may well be false, intended to deflect blame rather than genuinely explain. In general, there are times when it is appropriate to explain, and times when it is not.

It's frustrating that someone would directly ask why you did something while not wanting an answer, but when people are stressed or frustrated - i.e. when something has gone wrong - they do sometimes just lash out with questions designed to accuse rather than to elicit an actual answer. The question: "why did you do it this way", from someone who is angry, might really mean: "I'm angry with you because I can't fathom what reason you could possibly have for doing it this way, now that it has gone wrong." The solution isn't to provide that answer, it's to resolve whatever the problem is and let them calm down. There may come a point when explaining the reason is appropriate later.

Outside the specific context of the question - in general, if something bad happens as a result of your actions, explaining them isn't the first thing you should do. First apologise, then try to resolve whatever the problem is. You can talk reasons later, it definitely can be helpful to understand how things went wrong... But only if you have the intention of trying to avoid it in the future. If you come off as trying to deflect blame... That's going to be perceived as an excuse. Accept the blame first, and your reasons will be more likely accepted as an attempt to avoid future problems.

They practice this crap in the mirror to make themselves sound cool and be a bully.

I think the implication is that a reason is out of your control, while an excuse is of your own doing.

Like say you slept in and were late for work. If you slept in because of a medical condition or the power went out and your alarm didn't go off, it's a reason. If you slept in because you stayed up too late or forgot to set your alarm, it's an excuse.

Not that the two terms aren't interchangable in a lot of cases.

It's an excuse when they're mad and a reason when they're not

It's not just you, neurotypicals on the receiving end of that hate it too. Everyone gets told that garbage line once in a while. It's always said by someone on a power trip, they're trying to put you down into a place beneath them

If you ask my why and then go on about how you dont want excuses, the convo is over.

Excuses are "this is why I'm not at fault" and places the blame on someone or something else (including a circumstance). A reason is "this is why it happened" without trying to self-justify. A lot times reasons come across as excuses because the person has not taken responsibility for what they've done.

If a reason doesn't come with ownership of fault, it's an excuse.

Edit: see comment below about fault and responsibility

In reply to the meme: Anyone who asks why and then cuts off the person they asked immediately assumed that ANY response would be an excuse, since they didn't listen to it.

If they ask for an explanation and complain about being given an excuse, then they don't want to hear the series of events which occurred. They want to hear which of your character flaws is responsible and that you're ashamed of that flaw.

Source: drag speaks fluent neurotypical

They never wanted a real answer. Just to flex their tiny portion of power over you.

The way I use those words:

A reason is a cause for an event or a thought process that caused a decision.

An excuse is one of:

• a true reason why a person did a bad thing
• an explanation (true or false) why the cause of events or decisions was somebody else’s actions, not the speaker’s actions
• an explanation (true or false) pretending to be a reason, that isn’t actually the true cause of the event or decision

If I said, “don’t give me any of your excuses” to somebody, I would be meaning all of:

• something bad happened and I think it’s your fault
• I want you to agree with me that it’s your fault and accept blame
• I think you have a pattern of not seeing (or not admitting) that your actions cause bad things, and that’s happening again now

This is a bunch of very negative stuff to be meaning. It could be whoever said that is an asshole, blind, or unfair. If they treat everybody with negative shit like this that’s likely and there’s just no winning with such a person.

I actually have said stuff like “don’t give me excuses” to my kids. I think I’m not an asshole. When I said it, I thought my kid was flailing about doing dumb shit without thinking. What I meant for my kid was, “I want for you to start thinking about how a chain of events fits together, and I want you to accept you have the ability and the responsibility to see a bad outcome forming, and to take actions to make a better outcome instead.”

It's not a neurotypical thing, it's an asshole thing.

"Go fuck yourself" is probably the response you're looking for. Or maybe just ending the conversation.

It’s a problem even for those of us who are neurotypical (my son is not which is why I follow this community also, so as he gets older I can understand better).

But as someone said, bosses especially will say this and they really just want you to say it was your fault.

In my mind, the difference is if you are excusing the behavior.

“I’m sorry I’m late, I missed my alarm” is an explanation because I’m not excusing the behavior, just explaining.

“I’m late because my alarm didn’t go off” is an excuse because I’m asking to excuse the behavior.

That said, excuses seem to have this bad reputation as being just a reason for laziness, but they really shouldn’t as they can be valid.

Example, my work requires 2FA to log in, which I get via a text. I use a local carrier and “our vendor who handles texting went down”. In that sense, that was my excuse for being late getting logged in - and it wasn’t laziness.

Excuses are generally made to avoid responsibility, and they aren't always completely accurate. Explanations just clarify what happened.

The thing is, the person receiving an explanation might well just assume it's an excuse, and it's hard to convince them otherwise.

When someone talks they're telling you something about themselves, not about you. They might be telling you what they think about you, but that's something they think, not something you are.

In this case there are two things going on. One is the reason vs excuse, which is a blurry line vaguely separated by accountability and how much control you had over the situation.

The second and most important is that your boss is telling you he's an asshole who is more interested in making you feel bad than salvaging this situation and improving on the future.

That's the difference between nt and nd. Most nts will pick up on the fact that the boss is an asshole and there was never a correct answer. Nds on the other hand are more likely to internalize the situation wondering what they did wrong and how to improve future outcomes because they assume the criticism was honest and well reasoned and that there was a correct response.

The expectation of honest and productive exchange is unfortunately something assholes often abuse to bully neurodivergent individuals.

A reason is an explanation although not all explanations are reasonable.

An excuse is an attempt to justify a reason/explanation.

Excuses are used when the expiation is not reasonable.

This exchange centers on excuse vs explanation.

An excuse intends to justify or remove blame.

An explanation simply retells the events without motivation or justification.

If someone ever says "I don't want your excuse" simply reply "I'm explaining what happened without excusing anything. Would you like to hear that?"

Because it is not a question. They are not asking for information. They are complaining about your work by recriminating you. Like a rethoric question where the answer is "because you're stupid".

The mistake here is that the person explaining is interested in things like being correct or promoting efficiency while the adversary is only interested in hierarchy and dominating the explainer within their social context. That's the miscommunication happening.

When I get that line, I end the conversation. As politely as is just necessary.
I refuse to be scolded and lectured like a child, and if it's a work setting, I would probably fire off a couple resumés that very evening.
I'm too old to demean myself in the workplace. I am of equal value as everyone else in the company, even if some ~~make~~ are paid more money and can assign tasks to me. That doesn't make them higher-ups.

I really dislike rhetorical questions.