this post was submitted on 19 Aug 2024
330 points (98.8% liked)

Programming

17660 readers
204 users here now

Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!

Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.

Hope you enjoy the instance!

Rules

Rules

  • Follow the programming.dev instance rules
  • Keep content related to programming in some way
  • If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos

Wormhole

Follow the wormhole through a path of communities [email protected]



founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 107 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh wonderful! Another 10 years and we can use it natively without polyfills!

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)
[–] mattd 36 points 4 months ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Ah, that makes sense

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] Anders429 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't stop your manager from requiring support for the other 4%.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Most websites these days refuse to support even Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

~~Yeah, pretty much as Flex at 97% which is a nice comparison.~~

Edit: See mattd’s comment

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Why are we not angrier about css generally?

[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Because things were much worse in the beforetime

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What, you didn't enjoy slicing up images and arranging them in borderless tables?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Eh the software handled all that. Rounded corners tho…

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Rounded corners tho…

Just a small gif (as png didn't exist/widely supported) that had the rounded corner. Then if someone wanted to change the color or background you would have to redo all the images. Fun fun.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Nah it's fine, we'll just do the whole website in Shockwave.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

WYSIWYG editors were evil

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The software? Are you talking about Adobe ~~Dreamweaver~~ Dreamcrusher or something?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My money's on Microsoft Frontpage

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] curry 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Please indicate where IE touched you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

*gestures broadly at entire body

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

In my faux column

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago

I am blisteringly angry about CSS in general AND THIS FUCKING ISSUE IN PARTICULAR since 2005 at the very latest. Likely enough to up the average for several thousand people with only mild dislike for CSS.

If CSS had a church I would burn it down. In minecraft of course.

[–] FizzyOrange 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I would say because a) there are zero alternatives, and b) it's pretty powerful; you can generally do pretty much any layout even if it requires hacks, c) switching to something else is clearly infeasible so it's not worth even asking for.

Just have to live with it (on the web at least).

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

d) we remember the world before it was introduced

[–] Tja 18 points 4 months ago
[–] Kissaki 9 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

What we were promised:

Content in one HTML document.

Styles in other CSS, able to apply any to completely alter the layout of the document.

What we got:

<div class="mt mid flex lt-8 no-margin up-1">

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

CSS 3 is solid, mate. You can do just about anything with it if you know what you're doing.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Some of the pure CSS stuff I've seen is actually insane.

Obviously not actually for real world use, but a great example is https://github.com/kkuchta/css-only-chat

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

With pseudo sectors, flex, and grid, your options are amazing. I haven't encountered a design I can't build in a very long time.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

BaCkWaRdS cOmPaTiBiLiTy 😵‍💫

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
* { display: flex; }
[–] refalo 48 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Is it just me or is the irony lost on the author? It says "align-content: center" but it's only vertically aligned...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That's because under flexbox for horizontal alignment you use a different property called justify-content.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because we already have a way to center text horizontally...

[–] refalo 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yes but my grief was with the naming... why not call it vertical-center? Just "center" is very confusing to me because it does not include horizontal.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

Well that came like 10 years too late lol

I don't think I'll ever use it considering it was already easily possible with flexbox, and before that (although dirtier) with tables as well.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well, we've been vertically centring content with no-trick pure CSS for years now, so, good I guess?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

no-trick pure CSS

What do you mean? How else would you center content without CSS?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There were tons of options with multiple HTML elements with a sequence of CSS properties to reliably provide vertical centering (and also use vertical space at the same time) back in the days.

Now, between flex and grid (mainly flex for me, I find them more convenient) all the HTML scaffolding we used to make this work can be removed to get the same result. That's what I mean with "no trick".

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

It's worthless if you have to give it an explicit height, and also if it doesn't have support in all browsers.

load more comments
view more: next ›