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I got my hearing professionally checked today and all is normal. But I have difficulty hearing people I am dining with, talking in restaurants. Is it me, or is the music just too damn loud?!

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's to encourage you to eat faster and leave, so your table is available for the next victim.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is it. It's why seats/stools look nice but feel uncomfortable after 20 or so minutes.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I remember seeing this on the news a few years ago. If I remember right, they were interviewing a design firm that does interior design for fast food and fast casual restaurants, and they were talking about all of this. I was really surprised at how candid they were being, since you would think that they would want this to be an industry secret.

The high stools with no back, the music that is too loud, the lights that are a little too bright and kind of hanging down in your field of view: all intentional, so that you're just ever so slightly uncomfortable and you leave a few minutes sooner.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago
  1. Create environment actively hostile to remain in for long periods of time
  2. Expect people to work and be productive in said environment for hours on end
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Explains why I don't like eating out and never cared for paying for stuff like the ambiance even at fancy restaurants and prefer take out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Take out sadly still covers the ambiance

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

As a person with digestive problems that lead to hemorrhoids, this one in particular feels like a big fuck you.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I have ADHD and I find I have lots of difficulties with auditory processing in high noise floor situations. Also got my hearing checked because I couldn't understand people in loud spaces. Turns out ADHD brains just don't handle processing all that noise well. If I understand it correctly it's because we need to process everything at the same level instead of some things being easy to leave on autopilot. Might not be your case but it sounded familiar so, that's my two bits.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Wow this sounds so familiar. I need to learn more. Any resources you could recommend?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

https://screening.mhanational.org/screening-tools/adhd/ This seems like a useful test to me for getting a better idea if you should talk to a psychiatrist or not. It's ups and downs getting diagnosed, especially as an adult. I had one psychiatrist give me their full test and questionnaire and decided I was borderline but wouldn't diagnose me or prescribe anything, (I was already on a med that helped but not any of the controlled ones) The next psychiatrist I went to a few years later didn't even have me do the test, we had an in person appointment, (which I was late to) and after we'd talked for about 20 minutes I asked "so, when do we schedule the ADHD assessment?" He said "Oh, no, we don't need to do one, you very clearly have ADHD." XD Honestly though I learned more about it from the experiences of people on social media who had it than I ever learned from a doctor. I'd start with searching ADHD hashtags and see if you resonate with other people's experiences.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Since you mentioned you got your hearing checked and everything is okay... Auditory Processing Disorder is a pretty common neurodivergence with a lot of overlap with ADHD/OCD/depression/anxiety/et al. It's common with any or all of the others, but it shows up in neurotypical people too.

I'm ADHD and have APD as well :)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

So you're basically saying we're doing manual processing of the output stream instead of using pipewires inbuilt filters, like in the PulseAudio days?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I just don't go to restaurants/bars with loud music anymore because of this. Buying beer and snacks somewhere else and sitting in public parks with my friends is better and much cheaper.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Apparently, these restaurants want to make your dining experience unpleasant, so you won't linger over your meal. The sooner you leave, the sooner they can replace you with another paying customer. You probably shouldn't give these places your business.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (13 children)

exactly, hence why coffee shops in particular play the same three obnoxious Christmas songs on repeat during the season. They don't want you to stay, they want you pay and leave.

I will say that this tactic is just forcing people to invest in better headphones, but I lament that we're now in an auditory arms race for merely existing in a public space

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

"Simply . . . Having . . . a Wonderful Christmas Time!"

/sorry

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

That's what I have done. Entered and then walked right out without ordering anything.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Tile or concrete floors, hard surface walls, glass windows all reflect sound. As people start talking, if they are drinking they get louder, so then each table is trying to talk over the tables around them. Without acoustic damping, it can get pretty loud.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

That's a big part of it, but some people are just loud and some restaurants just play their music way too loud all the time.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is exactly why during my solo shift I turn off the music completely. I want silence. Beautiful, delicious silence.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Bless you my sweet baby child.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Hmm. Processing disorders are a thing.

Some restaurants do have damn loud music, though. Most don't where I live but that's probably regional.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Because you choose to keep going to restaurants where they play loud music. No idea why you're doing that

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that so many places don't adjust the volume properly to the amount of people in the place. If I go to a sports bar near me for happy hour, they have the music the same volume as when a big game is on and the place is packed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It seems the music is set for the staff instead of the customers too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

β€œTurn it up loud enough we don’t have to hear these assholes complain”

You may have just nailed the motivation.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

It's not you. If I'm at a RESTAURANT and can't hear my friends, I leave. I won't spend money at a place I have to yell to be heard (unless there's a band I specifically want to see or I'm at a bar, but even bars have limits).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Often because the staff is bored silly and want music to get through their minimum wage shift.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

It's too loud most places.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Might be relevant, but I find that American restaurants are generally louder compared to European ones.

Side note: And why is ithe music always fucking neo-country? Sure, I've mostly been to Texas, but I have several albums in my CD collection as a testament to y'all making good music too.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It isn't. My favorite restaurant--Kuma's Korner, on Belmont in Chicago--is always playing metal.

Goddamn I miss that place... :(

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Talking customers take longer to gtfo their tables so they can stick someone else in .

[–] ICastFist 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I personally avoid such places. There are many who make live music a selling point, which always plays super loud to the point where any chat can only happen by shouting into someone else's ear. How people like this is beyond me

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Pro-tip: Even in a loud place you can (and should!) speak with your normal voice (e.g. no shouting) when having your mouth an inch or two from the other person's ear. They will hear you just fine, even if you can't hear yourself.

[–] Timely_Jellyfish_2077 8 points 1 month ago

In India, restaurants generally play smooth music at near audible levels.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

They blast loud because if you start talking with your friends and eat slowly and spend a lot of time their eating little.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I once read that it's an epigenetic thing and it can be found across the animal kingdom. Some animals are born more sensitive and others less and this is important for the species or social group as a whole. This actually happens on a neuron level.

The less sensitive kind needs to actively search out stimulation, whereas you can leave the more sensitive one alone with a flower and they'll be a happy camper.

And there's so much more to it, for example developmental. Have you ever noticed the difference in sound levels in people's homes? In some places it's just like a warzone. TV on max, dogs barking, kids screaming. Imagine growing up with that. Like a fish in water.

And then there's all the processing disorders..

You can train yourself though if you value it. I enjoy encounters and it bothered me a lot, so I just kept going to busy cafΓ©s and bars until my brain finally got the memo. It keeps surprising me how my hearing has become like a sort of precision microphone.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Off topic, but related to unwanted noise. Why do white waitstaff/restaurants interupt you when you are talking to someone to ask you "How is everything? Everyone doing ok?". removed look at the plate. I haven't touched it since you gave it to me 30 seconds ago. Take a note from Asians. Silently fill the water, observe the vibe, and go if no one says anything. Or some Latino restaurants where they won't do anything unless you explicitly call them over and ask. I'd take loud music you have to shout over if Cindi with a 'i' doesn't interupt conversations.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

That shit annoys me too. I was just at a restaurant today where the waitress would not only interrupt but then linger to babble on and on. Like bitch I'm on a date, fill my drink and fuck off.

I agree, asian places have the best service. Super respectful and I do appreciate that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

It's to ensure your food is up to expectations. Mistakes happen, and a busy dining room dictates a server will help you when they can, not necessarily when you try to flag them down.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Definitely an american thing. I always find it annoying when I travel there. Also, bringing the bill with desert. Let me finish my meal first before giving me hints to get the fuck out

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I can understand where you are coming from, from the other perspective, I have gone into places gotten my food, got my dessert, they don’t bring the bill. 40 minutes later I’m asking a different waiter to get me my check because my waiter never came back.

I’d rather they bring the check right away so I can pay them leave when I want.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

In some crowded places they do it, so it doesn't feel like a central station.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

You guys don’t like the terrible cover band that comes and blasts their rockin tune?

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