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Proton Mail goes AI, security-focused userbase goes ‘what on earth’ (pivot-to-ai.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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we appear to be the first to write up the outrage coherently too. much thanks to the illustrious @self

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty happy with Tutanota all things considered. There are some tradeoffs back and forth between the two, but I think it's neat they run on renewable energy. And they're very focussed on being open source which I also appreciate.

Maybe an option worth looking into. They're also encrypted (though I wish either them or proton had an option not to be) and have a free tier)

Hope you find what you're looking for!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I’ve been using Mailbox.org. I tried Tutanota but the domain name was just awful.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I recommend you get your own domain, then you can’t ever lose your email.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

sure. because domains can be bought, not only temporarily leased.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not sure why that's relevant. There are domains that have been in use by the same owner for 39 years now.
That's longer than anything I've ever owned.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

so what happens with the domain when the owner dies?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I don’t know anyone who has “lost” a domain (besides incompetence). You can be pedantic if you like, but domain ownership allows you to transfer everything to wherever and no one in a realistic example can take it away from you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

you’ve never heard of a single example of anyone losing a domain due to legal maneuvering, trusting the wrong TLD (ie a bunch of lgbt folks losing their domains when the TLD’s administrating country decided not to give them service), or a plain ol registrar fuckup?

you’re far too inexperienced to be opining on self-hosting email, then

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

sure. tell that to people who used the .af domains; or learn more about shenanigans with the various oceanian TLDs, or who owns the .io domain, and why.

the fact is that you don't own the domain name, and it's always one missed card payment (or registrar changing hands and losing your card data) from being lost, and then your best chance is arbitrage.

it's one of these things that you have to understand when you start self-hosting anything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

or registrar changing hands

or registrar "forgetting" renewal settings.. conveniently soon after they introduced new at-checkout products

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Well it is just tuta now so there is that

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Thanks