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[–] [email protected] 168 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm confused, does he actually think a box packer is skilled labor or is this just a whoosh from the girl.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago (40 children)

Warehouse fulfillment is skilled labor. Fast food work is skilled labor. I'm having a hard time thinking of an example of a truly unskilled labor job.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Skilled labor is economists jargon, so the meaning of it does not match the dictionary definition.

No one is saying there is literally no skill involved in unskilled labor.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

Skilled labor = real human deserving of a fair wage.

Unskilled labor = meat machine that we need to pay by law, but we gladly wouldn't pay them a dime if we could get away with it because they aren't real people.

-Asshat Owners

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Technically skilled as in requiring education (financed by the state), unskilled can learn on the job within days.

But politics has a way with twisting those words into a us/them dichotomy.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Close, but that's not a job. It's no coincidence that the destructive practice of using your wealth to suck wealth out of society without adding anything beneficial is called Rent-seeking

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Warehouse fulfillment and fast food. It takes little education and training. I can be doing it in a week. Tops.

It's far harder and longer timeframe replacing an engineer for example.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 year ago (7 children)

All labor is skilled labor.

[–] lowleveldata 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, but some labor, like McDonalds fry cooks, is also skillet labor.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Guys desperate to put himself above another, with the delusion of throwing shit in a box being skilled labor, instead of standing in solidarity with the mcdonalds worker and demanding more for both of them

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If he thinks packing boxes is skilled labor, then flipping burgers is also skilled labor.

It's just not specialized, and doesn't require any certification or further education. Which would command the premium he's thinking of.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

All labor is skilled labor. Can you think of any job that doesn't require learning some sort of skill(s)? It's just an arbitrary designation intended to justify low wages.

I'm highly educated but you couldn't just stick me into a traditionally "unskilled" roles for which I have neither experience nor training and expect me to function. I'd crash and burn because jobs require the development and utilization of... wait for it...skills.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Some labor is inherently more skilled than other. I can train you in a day to flip burgers. You'll be better in a month than you are on day one, but you don't need hands on training after that first day.

I can't train you in a month to operate a break press. And in my plant that's the least skilled job.

I get that all jobs require some skill, I'm not disputing that. But when we're talking about skilled labor, were talking about those jobs that require significant investment in time to learn, often requiring the laborer to seek that education on their own before even being considered for a job.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think dude knows what "skilled labor" means.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seriously. It takes more skill to prepare food than to pack a box.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Packing boxes at Amazon is skilled labor?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (22 children)

All labor is skilled labor, but packing boxes sure as shit isn't more skill than a short order cook.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TIL packing boxes is skilled labor

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Everything is skilled labour. For 99% of jobs you couldn't roll up and be proficient at it without training or practice.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

But correct me if I am wrong, but in my country skilled labor means you have to have a relevant formal education to qualify for the job, (in addition to getting training on the job which is inevitable).

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think (choose to believe) the original tweet is satire.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, calling box packing skilled labor can't not be satire.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Since when is packing boxes a skilled labor?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I think that's the joke

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I rather a dude handling my food get paid better than someone touching cardboard.

No balls ony food is preferred over no balls on my Amazon packages.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But what if we could have both?

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (13 children)

This is the American way though isn't it? Push downward instead of moving upward. If flipping burgers is easier than packing boxes, and makes you the same money, why not quit at Amazon and start flipping burgers at McDonald's?

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That McDonald's takes more skill than boxes?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (87 children)

Different kinds of labor take different skills, not more or less, better or worse.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Seems a lot of the comments are focused on debating the word ‘skill’ applied to each job while another capitalist gets off free while infighting amongst people who should be supporting each other in a shit world that capitalism built and benefits off of.

Enshitification is where there’s a CEO somewhere that fucks everyone over and remains untouched.

That person really should be the focus of hate here.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

I’ve never worked in fast food but I’ve been to them and I’ve watched the workers. You can’t tell me packing boxes at Amazon is skilled labor and that shit isn’t.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Packing boxes is not skilled labor.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (66 children)

There's no such thing as unskilled labor. I guarantee you that dude is better than you are at packing boxes. That's known as "skill"

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Also, I'm not entirely sure that putting an item that a machine gives you into a box that the machine tells you to put it in requires more skill than working at McDonald's.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's not "skilled" labor.

You need zero skills to work at Amazon.

That being said, you will learn things if you stay long enough.

Skilled labor is like a trade or where you need a specific education. I'm not even sure you need a HS diploma to work at Amazon.

Source: me, working in an Amazon FC


But yes the point of her reply is also very apt. Class solidarity friends. If you're single making <55k or whatever the median income in your area is, there's not a whole hella lotta difference regardless.

But I'll also say this. There's a lot of mfers that do MUCH less work at desk jobs, and in fact are entirely redundant and unnecessary, compared to a fry cook or Amazon tier1 employes.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don’t think you’re looking at this the right way.

It’s not that packing boxes isn’t a skilled job.

It’s that working at McDonald’s is a skilled job.

Any job that requires a non-zero level of training (which is all of them) is a skilled job. The idea of “unskilled labor” is one perpetuated by the bourgeois to justify paying some people a shit wage and keeping them poor.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fry cook or box packer. He upset he picked a harder job?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did he tho? I've cooked and dealt with customers and I've packed boxes and packing boxes feels wayyyyy easier to me

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I like how everyone is upset with the "skilled work" part. But nobody did the calculation, that with Bezos pay and 16 dollars per hour, you could hire 562500 Workers. Which I think is crazy

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm so over the use of "checks notes" for emphasis. for every entertaining way of making commentary there are thousands of boring copies.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol at calling packing boxes skilled labour

That is way easier than working at McDonald’s

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brother how you gonna diss on spongebob like this?

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