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Antiwork

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A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.

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Date Created: June 21, 2023

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Guys desperate to put himself above another, with the delusion of throwing shit in a box being skilled labor, instead of standing in solidarity with the mcdonalds worker and demanding more for both of them

[–] [email protected] 54 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If he thinks packing boxes is skilled labor, then flipping burgers is also skilled labor.

It's just not specialized, and doesn't require any certification or further education. Which would command the premium he's thinking of.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (4 children)

All labor is skilled labor. Can you think of any job that doesn't require learning some sort of skill(s)? It's just an arbitrary designation intended to justify low wages.

I'm highly educated but you couldn't just stick me into a traditionally "unskilled" roles for which I have neither experience nor training and expect me to function. I'd crash and burn because jobs require the development and utilization of... wait for it...skills.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Some labor is inherently more skilled than other. I can train you in a day to flip burgers. You'll be better in a month than you are on day one, but you don't need hands on training after that first day.

I can't train you in a month to operate a break press. And in my plant that's the least skilled job.

I get that all jobs require some skill, I'm not disputing that. But when we're talking about skilled labor, were talking about those jobs that require significant investment in time to learn, often requiring the laborer to seek that education on their own before even being considered for a job.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’ve always assumed skilled labor referred to like, electricians and plumbers. Tradesmen kind of positions, the stuff you have to apprentice for. So if you’re a really good plumber or whatever, you can demand a premium on top of whatever your trade normally allows. Whereas this dude could be the best box packer in all of the Amazon warehouses and should never expect a cent more than any of his coworkers, because the job only takes like a week to train for.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

Yup. Skilled labor is jobs that require real training. Unskilled labor is like, can be learned to a tolerable level in less than a week

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

While that's true, it's much easier to get someone with formal higher education to learn how to operate a cash register than to get someone without education to operate industrial equipment. In other words, we need more and better formal education for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In the past, the privileged would be mocked for their lack of capacities in practical activities.

These days, the myth of the meritocracy compels the unprivileged to identify with the values of those by whom they are devalued.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

More reasonably: failed to use /s