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I've gone and made accounts of a handful of Lemmy instances, all of them larger, more popular ones.

... and I can't access any of them directly today, likely due to the influx of users from Reddit.

Programming.dev is alive and well though.

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[–] catch22 76 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'm a software engineer by trade but I figured the instance call programming.dev would most likely be run by someone who knew what they were doing when it came to running a lemmy instance and would most likely be the most stable. :P

[–] Sl00k 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same exact boat, and also assumed if there were going to be any difficulties scaling this would probably be the best community able to tackle it lol

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[–] CodeBlooded 7 points 1 year ago

This is 4D chess right here. I didn’t consider this when signing up.

[–] syl 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lemmy.world is ran by a pro. Dude runs one of the most used mastodon instances. The fact that Programming.dev is stable while .world is not quite so, is purely due to the amount of users. Get 80k on this instance and you will see what happens..

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[–] nibblebit 58 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Man, this place definately has the vibe of an old timey BB forum. You recognise people in your replies like you used to. I find that I'm gawking at stats way less and I'm able to just talk to people. Engagement is way less, but maybe that's a good thing.

It's so refreshing. It feels like the old internet

[–] erlingur 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It really does feel like the old web again to a certain extent. I hope this "age of enshittification" leads to a throwback to the old web but I'm not convinced it will happen. I feel like Lemmy (and other federation platforms) are definitely our best shot at it :)

Anyway, happy to be here :)

[–] etler 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would much rather have fewer more engaging conversations than the circus Reddit was. Sure it had more conversation but sometimes that felt more isolating since every comment became transactional noise. Really hoping I can find the sweet spot on Lemmy!

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[–] grinde 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's a Lemmy frontend that fully emulates a phpBB board. It's kind of amazing.

[–] Nubbify 6 points 2 years ago

Seeing this just felt like unlocking a bunch of core memories.

[–] ruffsl 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You recognise people in your replies like you used to.

This is pretty cool. I'm still active on some older traditional forums, but I love this style of threaded discussions in comment trees here. So much easier to reply to an individual in wall-of-text discussions. I think we'll also start recognizing each other by account birthdays, with a wave of folks all having similar ones in June and July. 📅

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[–] BravoVictor 48 points 2 years ago

Ya know; perfect time to shout out the admins here. Thanks for this little terrific instance. I have an account on BeeHaw, I just never leave here.

No drama, just polls about icons. Easy.

[–] attn_dfct_dev 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Programming.dev with local filter is a good replacement for /r/programming for me. I am loving it here.

[–] JackbyDev 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And it doesn't have all of the shitty low effort self promotion articles (yet)!

[–] doctorfail 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hang on, I need to plagiarize a guide for setting up React and Redux and put it on my blog and pretend it’s mine for job hopping optimization and internet street cred…

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[–] aport 6 points 2 years ago

This setup is also my new "front page" and it's awesome. This community is developing really well.

[–] snowe 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Glad you are enjoying it, though to be honest I do hope this grows to be a decently sized programming community. A lot of the threads are quite dead currently.

[–] aport 7 points 2 years ago

IMO for being a niche instance (programming) on a niche platform (Lemmy) it is doing extremely well. Thank you!

[–] josejfernandez 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I never really understood what's appealing about participating in a community with gazillions of users where any attempt to have a conversation is buried under thousands of replies. Not even talking about the amount of trolling or aggressive commenters.

I think smaller places suit me better, and I am grateful that smaller instances like this one have emerged as a result of the latest happenings with Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I find I like having both.

Smaller communities / more quiet threads where I really participate and get in a conversation with people. Other times I just like having a lot of different threads with a lot of different information etc.

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[–] etler 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's an appeal to having limitless content, but it does become addictive. Having a slower pace is a good thing.

I left Reddit shortly after the spez's AMA before I found Lemmy and for a week I did feel a little out of touch since I didn't like the feeds on other social networks or sites. Lemmy gives me that feeling of being up to date with the internet without being endless which I think is much healthier.

[–] intelati 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There’s an appeal to having limitless content, but it does become addictive. Having a slower pace is a good thing.

You know that's a great point I hadn't considered..

[–] jim 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yep, though federation syncing is really slowing down. This post from [email protected] is at 44 comments from programming.dev but 112 comments on the beehaw instance.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So the "true" state of a post is always in it's instance of origin

[–] JackbyDev 9 points 2 years ago (5 children)

No, federation is directional, so even if everything synced perfectly and instantly it wouldn't be the true version. Take this example. There is an instance that is federated with no one, but every instance is federated with it. Every other instance would see everything there but the instance it is hosted on wouldn't see any. There's no reason to say the version hosted there is the true one when it lacks so much of the conversation.

Also comments can lag when syncing to the main instance in the same way they can lag coming from the main one. All you can really say is that when viewing a post on an instance it has the true version of all of that instance's users comments.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I think the fediverse will function the best if everyone is split across many instances. As soon as one or several become dominant, the way they do things becomes the norm, for good or bad. That and the server load of course.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

The problem is most people are confused and overwhelmed by all the instance business to begin with.

It's a UX thing. Users can't be expected to read up on all the technical details of instances and the pros and cons of different ones before signing up. I don't know how it'd work exactly, but they really need a nice and simple "sign up" page that they don't need to think about.

Maybe a list of all the decent instances to use - meaning pretty much all instances that are not catered to a specific niche, open to new users and don't have any defederation drama ongoing - and then a global lemmy signup page can just randomly assign new users to one of those instances.

[–] Feyter 7 points 2 years ago

I cannot explain the exact details but I remember during the first great Twitter exodus some people discovered a drawback in the ActivityPup protocol that seems to cause performance issues when very influencial users post on a small/under powered instance.

Because communicating all that stuff to many other instances is more costly than spreading it only to people on the same instance. So technically speaking large instances have a performance advantage and must just scale accordingly to the user number.

Everyone agreed that this need to change in oder to ensure a healthy federated ecosystem but I don't think it was be fixed by now.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I am noticing a lot of comments from lemmy.world communities can't be seen from my other accounts like lemmy.ca or programming.dev.

Aside from that, I think it's nice to be on a smaller instance.

[–] JavaCodeWriter 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I can't even access the lemmy.world instance. It just always errors out for me.

But I like the idea of smaller servers that specialize in a specific hobby/interest/topic and then all the /c/ communities can be centred around that topic and moderated appropriately. I think it leads to better discussion between people looking for programming topics.

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[–] chaoticAnimals 20 points 2 years ago

This is my favorite place on the internet.

[–] cmeerw 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

When will the first Lemmy instances permanently shut down again because of high resource usage/costs?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I was thinking if an instance owner cannot afford to keep upgrading servers, it could close its doors to new registrations. This will create a need for more instances and users will be more evenly distributed.

[–] cmeerw 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But it's my understanding that resource usage will keep increasing even if you keep the number of users constant on a server (as more content is posted in the communities that users are subscribed to, and that content needs to be synced and stored).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

If anything, this is the month where we'll find out... A lot of medium/large instances have made the jump to dedi servers and keeping those up isn't cheap

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Happy to be federated with you, good sir.

[–] Die4Ever 12 points 2 years ago

this instance has been a beast, so solid

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Not a member of programming.dev but i find it nice to be on a small homeserver too

[–] LurkerCandado 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Is there really such a big influx of users migrating specifically TODAY, of all days? I guessed most interested users, like us, did in advance these last 3-4 weeks.

I wish there was a way to see the traffic of different instances in (mostly) real time.

[–] intelati 10 points 2 years ago

The 3rd party apps are shut down. We're (You and I) are the "first movers" of this initial migration. Basically the choices are to move to the Reddit App, stop using anything like Reddit, or here.. (ActivityPub like sites)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is there a way to synchronise or migrate followed communities between accounts on different instances? I'd quite like to sign up to others, but I'm way too lazy to re-follow every single community.

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[–] chrisvander 9 points 2 years ago

Programming.dev is a nice home base!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Me over on pawb.social: uwu

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Reddthat here ~ we are alive and well too

[–] Dioxide 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I’ve migrated from a tiny one to this one, I don’t know why, but I always gravitate towards the smaller communities.

Runs smooth here too :)

^Edit:^ ^typo^

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