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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

This was already touched on earlier, but I wanted to add on a bit:

The idea comes from how Reddit handles it (MultiReddits) but from my experience it's a feature not many people made use of, and it sounds like a pain to have to constantly create and manage new multi-communities to group together duplicate communities. This shouldn't be a task that users have to manually do.

This is a pretty bad or maybe just naive take that IMO doesn't sum things in a productive way upon Multi-Reddits. That is-- 1) it arguably doesn't matter a bit how many people make use of it, as each person's MR is going to be a custom affair, and it works at the individual user level anyway, 2) on the contrary, it's no trouble at all to build your MR's either quickly or painstakingly, and you can spread that effort across weeks, months and even years. In the end, I find MR's fantastically useful as super-custom feeds that you can use to stay focused on a tight range of topics.

Unfortunately, these kinds of half-baked conclusions tend to suggest to me that OP doesn't have a whole lot of familiarity with either platform at this time. That said, there's a lot of interesting ideas in the article, it's just a little disappointing in various places.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I still have no idea how Lemmy really works, and I had to sign up for this instance - I don’t know, I don’t see a platform growing on that. But maybe that’s the point. I’m trying to engage though! The Voyager app’s “import sub” feature from Reddit is brilliant.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Welcome here! Feel free if you have any questions

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (22 children)

Custom feeds grouping similar communities

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

That was addressed in the article under Proposal 2:

it's a feature not many people made use of, and it sounds like a pain to have to constantly create and manage new multi-communities to group together duplicate communities. This shouldn't be a task that users have to manually do.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Personally I think proposal 2 and 3 should happen concurrently. Using the example in the post I would setup a custom feed (that can hopefully consolidate cross posts) for breakfast. I would put [email protected] which subscribes to [email protected] I can also add [email protected] and [email protected]. so when someone posts about the best homemade peanut butter syrup recipe that is cross posted to my pancake and waffle communities, I don't get 4 posts about it, I can see it once and choose where to reply (pancakes obviously, I'm a waffle purist).

Community interlinking/subscription fixes a slightly different problem than custom feeds IMO. It's a really good idea, but I would personally still want custom feeds (with the ability to handle crossposts in a customizable way).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Never thought about communities following communities. It actually makes a lot of sense and would solve the fragmentation issue in an elegant and "democratic" way.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Duplicates are a minor issue. That said, solution #2 (multi-comms) is considerably better than #3 (comms following comms).

The problems with #3 are:

  • Topics are almost never as discrete as the author pretends them to be. Often they overlap, but only partially.
  • Different comms have different rules, and in this situation rule enforcement becomes a mess.

There's no good solution for that. On the other hand, the problems the author associates with #2 are easy to solve, if users are allowed to share their multi-comms with each other as links:

  • a new user might not know which comms to follow, but they can simply copy a multi-comm from someone who does
  • good multi-comms are organically shared by users back and forth

Additionally, multi-comms address the root issue. The root issue is not that you got duplicate communities; it's that communities in general, even without duplicates, are hard to discover. Also note that the root issue is not exclusive to federated platforms, it pops up in Reddit too; it's a consequence of users being able to create comms by themselves.

About #1 (merging communities): to a certain extent users already do this. Nothing stops you from locking [[email protected]](/c/[email protected]) with a pinned thread like "go to [[email protected]](/c/[email protected])".


This is a minor part of the text, but I feel in the mood to address it:

I post once to gauge interest then never post again because I got choice paralysis

The same users who get "choice paralysis" from deciding where to post are, typically, the ones who: can't be arsed to check rules before posting, can't be arsed to understand what someone else said before screeching, comment idiotic single-liners that add nothing but noise, whine "wah, TL;DR!" at anything with 100+ chars... because all those things backtrack to the same mindset: "thinking is too hard lol. I'm entitled to speak my empty mind, without thinking if I'm contributing or not lmao."

Is this really the sort of new user that we old users want to welcome here? Growth is important, but unrestricted growth regardless of cost is cancer.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (12 children)

The same users who get “choice paralysis” from deciding where to post are, typically, the ones who

I'm not so sure. I sometimes have choice paralysis again on a topic I'm not familiar with, and I'm sure quite a lot of other people do as well

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Topics are almost never as discrete as the author pretends them to be. Often they overlap, but only partially.

Maybe I am not fully understanding your point here but from my point of view this is just not true?

A lot of the traffic is going to be on very general topics like "memes" or "technology" where posts are going to fit pretty much every other similar community.

Plus, in this case whoever has the authorities to follow communities can decide if the posts fit, so you're not losing anything if posts from a more specific community like "wholesome memes" end up showing up in a more general "memes" community.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (4 children)

IDK, man. It's not that hard to just check a few of the communities and see which ones are active, and then post to those ones. And the benefit you get, for asking people to take literally a couple of minutes of effort to sort out how to get involved with some particular topic, is pretty significant.

I'm not trying to say not to make good solutions to it, but also, trying to make everything maximally easy carries a significant down side, in that it attracts people who want to put minimal effort into everything (including their posts and their interactions with others once they've arrived on the network.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJpZjg8GuA

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I'd say it also turns off people who have expertise in other areas and would chime if there wasn’t so many hurdles.

Say an astrophysicist wants to connect with the community. Do you think they want to take time out of their day to learn the intricacies of a tool that otherwise has no use to them? Do you think they should have to?

This will inevitably keep this community gated from having a diverse userbase that Reddit has had at its peak.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (10 children)

There are only so many of us posting here.

The day we get 10 different people posting about quite popular topics like movies, then sure. But having the current split while there are 5 people posting for the entire platform seems counterproductive.

Another example I have is [email protected] and [email protected]. Both communities have similar rules, instances are similar, everything is similar.

There is one poster there that seems to prefer the programming.dev one, so I have to crosspost everything they post to the dbzer0 one so that people subbed to that one don't miiss anything.

[email protected] is a bit similar. It's mostly a one-person show (rough estimation, 80% of the posts are one person), but they wouldn't move to [email protected], while we have discussion posts, active mods, everything.

So sure, it's not that hard, but it doesn't mean that people will do it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Fully agree with solution three, federated communities is the way. Solution two is just dumb and is basically just the subbed feed

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I still think multi-communities would be a good feature, even if not for this particular problem. (For example, to a have a dedicated "music" feed that includes several communities for different music styles you are interested in.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

But if you sub to all of them then there is zero need for such a feed. It adds extra work of making the feed and having to select the feed. There is barely enough content for viewing subscribed my new, why split a post or two a day into a separate feed?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i literally just want it to work like it does on matrix: a room (community in this instance) is an independent thing that exists on all servers with users participating in it, and then each server can also assign aliases to the rooms (communities) like how we assign domain names to IP addresses, of which the room (community) admins can set one to be the main alias which is generally displayed in UIs.

so a community called "bagels stacked on dogs" could have aliases like #bagelsondogs:lemmy.chat, #bageldogs:lemmy.chat, #bagelsondogs:discuss.dogchat.com, #bagelson:dogs.net, etc etc and the community admins would of course want to set #bagelson:dogs.net to be the main way to reference the community.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How would modding work on that? I'm not sure I fully understand.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

it works exactly like it does now, afaik

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So it’s essentially federated communities?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

i'm pretty sure communities are federated right now, it's just that they only have a single ID which can never change. I think the way acitivitypub works it's basically just posting to different "topics" under the hood?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Multicommunities are/grouping communities is being discussed in this issue atm:

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818

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