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[–] [email protected] 211 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Bro has an anime profile pic and acts like he doesnt already have the tail plug in smh

[–] [email protected] 142 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not only that, but the character in that profile pic often sprouts cat ears when she has strong feelings.

[–] [email protected] 112 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Hating furries is stage 1 of becoming a furry.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I haven't heard somebody use the word "murring" in like a decade. Methinks they're farther down the pipeline than they want to admit.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Soon the world shall be furries. And finally there will be peace on earth.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Stage 7 is memorizing the Macarena.

Stage 19 is affecting a québécois accent

Stage 42 is hitchhiking

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 111 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I switched back to Firefox over a year ago and I have not noticed it using much less RAM than Chrome tbh. It's definitely the better browser for all the other reasons, but I wouldn't list memory utilization as a big advantage over other browsers

[–] [email protected] 84 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The whole RAM thing is way overblown. Both browsers request a lot of RAM allocation, but only actually use a fraction of it. When the OS needs it for another process this "allocated, but unused" pool is the first to get used when "Free and unallocated" is gone

Problem is windows reports it all as the same in the task manager so people see that "70%" usage and freak out.

Tl:Dr Windows task manager is a fuckin lier.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

There’s also the idea that free RAM is somehow a good thing. In an ideal system, the RAM would always be “full” of potentially useful data. Having a bunch of empty RAM means that it’s not being useful. That space could be used to hold plenty of regularly used files that would be instantly loaded instead of having to pull from the drive again.

I don’t know when everyone started getting concerned with RAM usage, but in a perfect system, it would hold onto all of your frequently used programs and files that it could fit from boot and then those would load instantly.

Some Linux distros even allow loading the entire OS into RAM for wild speeds.

Idle RAM is just that. It does you no favors. Now, I do understand that you don’t want to be completely out, but we act like having 80% free is a goal for some reason.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The problem is that the extra RAM used by a browser is held on an exclusive basis and so is not nicely reclaimable by the kernel. I love that Linux caches the shit out of files in RAM, it's great. It's also great that it can release that memory when I launch a chundering dumpster fire application that eats all of my RAM. If a browser had been holding that memory, then the godawful Linux OOM killer would have launched, halted all threads on the system, walked the entire process tree, and SIGKILLed something (probably not a browser tab) before letting everyone else resume.

With the way memory is currently managed, a bloated browser is a liability. Cached state needs to be stored in something like a mmaped file so that the kernel can flush pages out of memory if someone else comes along with a malloc. Alternatively, there needs to be communication between a browser and a userspace OOM daemon. If the system started hitting a soft limit, then the browser could start unloading background shit more aggressively.

Free memory is wasted memory, but so is memory that can't be used for anything else when it's needed.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I agree. Browsers all seemed to act like they are the only thing running on the computer at some point, practically resembling their own OS with the amount of containerization and complexity. There should definitely be a way for the OS to request some RAM be released from the browser.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Unused RAM is wasted RAM. It consumes the exact same amount of power whether there's useful data in it or not. Any self-respecting operating system will fill up RAM that applications aren't using with frequently accessed files, so they're ready to go in an instant.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think that's precisely why limiting RAM on apps like Chrome or Firefox is so necessary, these apps never release their RAM when they are supposed to, they hoard anything that isn't free and don't give back when it's needed, which is why in the reply to the top comment I shared a desktop entry to limit RAM on Firefox or whatever app you so choose.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Having programs steal or sit on RAM without using it is never a good thing. That's why it's called a memory leak, because it's as if the free memory is leaking away. And it gets deprived from other apps that might need it more than Firefox or chromium does.

Your idea only works if programs actually take only as much ram as they need and give it back when done, but they don't do that, they usually sit on it until it's pried from their cold dead fingers. That's what memory leaks are, and modern browsers these days are extremely prone to them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Most browsers these days have issues with high RAM usage, and memory leaks to. I'd recommend trying to limit the RAM of the browser, it stops it from eating up so much.

Here's how I did it on linux. I'm sure there's a way to do it if you're on Windows though (might not be as good though).

Desktop file to limit Firefox to 8GB of RAM

[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Name=Firefox RAM limit 8GB
GenericName=Firefox Ram limit 8GB
Comment=Limit RAM for Firefox to 8GB;
Exec=systemd-run --user --scope -p MemoryLimit=8G firefox
Icon=firefox
Type=Application
Terminal=false
Categories=Utility;Development;
StartupWMClass=Firefox

This is a script to limit Firefox to 8 gigabytes of RAM, you may change it lower or higher depending on what your needs are by changing the number from 8 to whatever else you'd like. Fair warning though setting it too low will cause Firefox to lag very badly, and will crash chromium browsers outright (Ask me how I found out).

[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 weeks ago

JUST BECAUSE I USE FIREFOX DOESN'T MEAN I'M A FURRY!

I mean, I am a furry.

BUT NOT BECAUSE I USE FIREFOX!

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

tailplug is fine but I draw the line at "fuckin"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah procreation is sin. Masturbation is not.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Source: https://xenia.chimmie.k.vu/ (She has more art, I recommend checking it)

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You can swear on the internet. Fuck, see?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I only see hunter2, oh wait, that's the wrong meme.

Edit: Y'all beat me to it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

You can, but i XXXXXXX can’t.

See.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

That's because hunter2 is a forbidden word.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Hating furries is already really cringe, but even more so when you have an anime profile picture. At that point it feels hypocritical.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Since their profile picture is Komi Shouko from "Komi can't communicate", who is sometimes canonically portrayed with cat ears they are either joking or rejecting their true inner self.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Me when I take a joke seriously.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Listen using Firefox doesn't make me a furry.

I mean I am but that's not why.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The weird thing to me whenever anyone complains how much memory a browser takes up, is what do they think the free RAM is doing otherwise? It's free so why can't an application use it? And that's what browsers do, taking the memory to use as a cache, and releasing it back to the system if available memory dips below some threshold.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Also, modern OSes are designed to fill as much of your RAM as possible. Windows does it, Android does it; pretty sure Linux and MacOS does too. The number you're looking at only shows the RAM usage by currently running processes. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, so your OS will fill as much of it as possible with prefetched data so that your machine will be more responsive when you actually need to use the data that was stored in advance for you.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I work in tech, and I don't understand people's obsession with having all their RAM free at all times.

If you don't use it, why do you have it?

Windows (not the best OS, but the one I know the most about), will lie to you about how much memory you have that's free. It puts data in RAM as cache. In the event you need that data, it's already loaded in RAM. Usually this is stuff like DLLs and executables for programs.

There's a difference between "free" memory, and "available" memory.

In addition, RAM is always going down in price, so 32G today costs what 16G did, some number of years ago. The same can be said for 16G vs 8G, etc. Though, the comparison becomes less relevant as you get into much smaller and older memory types, since the cost per dimm will only ever go so low.

Buy the memory, use as much of it as you can, as often as you can. Go wild with it. Enjoy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Use all the RAM you want, but if another program needs it give it back ffs!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

There’s a difference between “free” memory, and “available” memory.

I agree with this, and I'm sure most people complaining about Firefox or Chrome's abhorrent memory usage would too. The problem with most browsers is that they eat up the available memory and often do not give it back. So you end up with situations where you're running low on available RAM even though you have 32GB installed.

Buy the memory, use as much of it as you can, as often as you can. Go wild with it. Enjoy.

Sure, if you release it when not using it, otherwise unlimited RAM privilege revoked. Memory leaks suck and when they chew up all your RAM and they continue to happen, offending apps should either be no longer used, or limited to their minimum necessary RAM requirements to limit the damage they'll do.

Hence why I capped Firefox at 8GB, anything more would be wasted when it inevitably leaks.

Desktop file to limit Firefox to 8GB of RAM

[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Name=Firefox RAM limit 8GB
GenericName=Firefox Ram limit 8GB
Comment=Limit RAM for Firefox to 8GB;
Exec=systemd-run --user --scope -p MemoryLimit=8G firefox
Icon=firefox
Type=Application
Terminal=false
Categories=Utility;Development;
StartupWMClass=Firefox

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

None of thaťs helpful. You know, when browser uses half your ram, teams quarter and rest of the programs the rest, windows is swapping on your SSD like a prick and you cannot switch windows - none of what you said helps. And of course, the RAM is soldered on and cannot be expanded.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

For me there are programs that "can acceptably use that much RAM" and those that it's "unacceptable", to me. what's 20% to 40% of my gaming rig's resources may be uncomfortably taxing and laggy for my laptop. Its okay to waste resources on my gaming rig but the laptop needs all it can get. I accept some software will not reasonably run on the laptop. My employer has stuck me on 10yo hardware before, running windows 10 pro + intrusive expensive antivirus and nobody is around to question why their computers are getting 5-15fps and locking up for a minute or two when you open chrome. It becomes normal. Any software is the host and/or backbone for other running software should focus on reducing it's own resource usage for the sake of its children.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

has googles dick in their ass

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why the fuck is fuckin censored hut stuff like tailplugs not xD, what a fuckin bull shit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

fuck the fucking fuckers.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

I honestly dont care about my browser using a lot of resources (processes, RAM, etc) because it may be helpful to the isolation security model of the browser. Each and every website is a possible malicious app.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

6 gig of ram on a browser!? wtf people close your old tabs.

[–] szczuroarturo 7 points 3 weeks ago

Exatcly do it correctly and use multiple browsers each for a very specific type of work/thing you do you animals.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

What is the acceptable amount of ram a browser should be using? Is there a way of knowing how much is “wasted”? Is it even possible to waste ram, like what is wasted, time? Electricity?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

It's only a problem if it doesn't give it up when other apps need it and there's not enough. Browsers just cache a bunch of shit in memory for speed and convenience, but they should unallocate it back to the pool if something else calls for it. The internet complaining about this for years and years are mostly doing so from a place of ignorance.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The issue is that browsers don't release much memory back to the system when it's needed. I wish they'd work more like the Linux kernel's VFS caching later, but they don't (and might not be able to. For example, I do don't think the Linux kernel has good APIs for such a use case).

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