Or laugh at them. Seems to me that the problem is way too many people taking them seriously and encouraging them.
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Antifa is the solution to this issue. The name is literally [anti fa]scist. Their means are controversial, but their goal is pure.
There's a reason Trump hates them so much, even if I doubt he really understands why they don't like him.
Antifa is the solution to this issue. The name is literally [anti fa]scist.
And as we all know, if you label yourself The Good Guys, that means it's impossible that anything you do is not Good. I mean, it's right in the name!
Just like how the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is very democratic.
I know someone who loves the song Bella ciao and preached how noble it was because it was anti-fascist. Then on the same heartbeat got angry because the song was used in a funk, because "these favelados and their music are trashy and they are defacing this noble song!".
Dude became a bolsonaro fan.
Some people just have no clue what the fuck about no fucks at all. I think they just like the aesthetic or the face value of the speeches, and only surface deep.
That’s just it. My grandfather could silence a room of packed in, drinking family members filled with holiday cheer the moment anyone hit the “diet” racism line. WW2 vet whose job was to trek across the countryside liberating concentration camps.
He’s dead now. As are many. So the guys who would silence that behavior out of righteous anger are no longer here to maintain that boundary. No one with the respect of boots on the blooded ground to yell at people for being stupid.
If there’s a country wide earthquake this year, it’s from all those WW2 vets spinning in their graves.
I am Gen-X. As a teen I was also a bit of a violent punk/thrash/metalhead. On occasion, skinheads would show up to a show. Without fail, a group of us with meet them outside and beat the fuck out of them. You don't need to have fought in a world war. I have kicked nazi in the head and I think this time honored tradition should be restored in full.
PS: I see Doc Marten's are back in fashion. Put those steel toes to good use. Kick a nazi on the coccyx.
And because of this, there are no more Nazis. Right?
Or maybe it's not quite that simple, and the price of giving yourself that dopamine hit may be higher than you might realize.
Looks like randoms all say it's a good idea, while former extremists and people whose life's work is studying extremist movements, say it's a bad idea, if your ultimate goal is to eradicate Nazism.
My ultimate goal was to shove my boot up a nazi's ass and to make sure they never showed up to any of our parties.
I know that was your goal. My point is that evidence shows those actions are not actually conducive to that goal. The fact that you got into those fights multiple times (guess they didn't all vanish after one beating, huh?) further backs that up.
But let's see what a former skinhead has to say about it. Hell, this might be one of the guys you beat up back then:
...when mouthpieces for white supremacist ideology are physically assaulted on camera, it becomes a powerful validation of their victimhood complex: in their minds, plain evidence that white people are indeed under attack, and motivation to spread a call to violent response with renewed zeal. This “punch felt round the world” was a great boost to the “alt-right” cause. If you aid and comfort neo-Nazis, which is exactly what punching them in the face does, you are no better than they are. Real life isn’t a fucking Quentin Tarantino movie.
When I was a neo-Nazi skinhead over 2 decades ago, I got beat up as often as I beat anyone else up. It never made me any less violent. In fact, we used to pile into vans and drive from Milwaukee to Chicago for the thrill of brawling fellow devotees of romantic violence like the guy throwing the punch in this video. We lived for violent opposition. We thrived on it. Violence of any sort, no matter how it may be rationalized, is the bread of hatred. We put mustard on that shit and gleefully gobbled it up and clamored for more.
Back in the 1930s, there were gangs of communists who routinely brawled the Nazi brownshirts in the streets of Germany. Their contemporaries would have us believe that if there were more communists who brawled harder than they did back then, that the Holocaust wouldn’t have happened. As a former neo-Nazi, I can attest to how important it is to have violent opposition in order to maintain the hatred necessary to hurt people. The communist gangs helped Hitler’s National Socialist party come to power not only by galvanizing their own members, but more importantly by serving as a crucial ingredient in the overall atmosphere of fear and loathing that led the German general public to look to the Nazi party for order.
What's the supposed solution? Not make them victims how? The solution can't be to just let them spew their hate and cause fear themselves
See, the issue here is that you're conflating 'don't punch them' with 'let them do whatever they want'.
That's absolutely not what I or those experts suggest. Hate should absolutely be confronted, empathically and aggressively. But not violently, because making martyrs of them only makes things worse long-term.
Of course, if you had actually read either the first linked article or at least the part of it that was quoted in that linked comment, you would have seen that already.
One time? No. There were a few incidents but after a while it wasn't really a problem. Please don't get what I am saying confused. I get your point, but if you're a nazi, you crash someone's party, start goose-stepping in the pit and go calling people mongrels, you deserve the consequences coming to you. I will never apologize for standing up for myself or my friends.
I just remembered that I still have a silver necklace somewhere with the canine I kicked out of the mouth of one of them. I had it made and I wore it for years. Shit, now I need to find that thing and share a photo of it. Where the fuck did I leave it?
EDIT: You edited your comment so now mine makes a lot less sense.
You can edit your comment too, lol. Sorry, I 'revise' myself a lot if I find I want to word something a different way, or think it's better a different way.
NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF
Some of my favorite people are the SHARPs (Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice). Folks who remember the history of punk and skins and will 100% throw down with any Nazis on sight.
I still blast this in my truck occasionally. Especially around a bunch of chump signs. Still wearing my boots and leather. Any day is a good day to punch a nazi.
My grandma broke her coccyx riding an ATV at the dunes. Now eat your steak.
Ok :(
Thank you for your service
Sadly new Doc Martens don't have steel toes anymore :'(
And they are absolute trash
The problem was, they'd also punch anyone talking about socialism.
Real double-edged sword
I think the extra point here, is that a bit of violence is often the answer to get idiots to shut the fuck up. You think our government would be in this state if each individual knew fucking over "the people" was going to lead to them getting their ass kicked? There's no longer a balance to keep anyone in check for being a piece of shit.
It's also why the start of nearly every single major authoritarian government take over in the world over the past 120 years . The Armenian Genocide, the soviet Union under Stalin, Nazi Germany Under Adolf, China under Mao (who was attributed with killing 65 million chinese), Cambodia, and then way back to the United States before becoming a country when King George tried to confiscate guns against the colonies before the revolutionary war broke out, which is why gun rights was put in the constitution to begin with.
"Speak softly, but carry a big stick". Well the stick has been shrinking and the assholes have started popping up.
To be fair, the socialism they were exposed to was Stalinism, a very punchable authoritarian system.
I've got a pin somewhere about Kronstadt, I feel you
TIL about the Kronstadt Rebellion: a group of sailors and civilians disappointed in the direction of the Bolshevik government —whom Leon Trotsky himself had praised earlier as the "adornment and pride of the revolution"—demanded a series of reforms: reduction in Bolshevik power, newly elected soviets (councils) to include socialist and anarchist groups, economic freedom for peasants and workers, dissolution of the bureaucratic governmental organs created during the civil war, and the restoration of civil rights for the working class.
Thanks!!
I think that's also the problem today, albeit of a different sort. I had a friend who was very seriously into the "punch Nazis" meme on the internet a few years ago. But he would often talk to us about it and finding someone to punch. He sometimes said shit like "I could just go to the Republican national convention and start punching people."
If it floats your boat, punch Nazis. But don't punch everybody you disagree with because "not supporting universal healthcare" is not being a Nazi.
There's also significant evidence that 'punching Nazis' is actually doing them a favor, ideologically.
Maybe the fleeting dopamine hit of being 'the good guy beating up the bad guy' isn't actually worth it, in the long run.
Idk man the Republican Party is absolutely fascist
Supporting Trump means supporting Nazis
In the USSR, praising Hitler would get you a one-way ticket to the gulag, as would advocating the wrong kind of socialism.
Make Nazis Afraid Agan.
Indeed, especially since they are cowards. Somebody who is unafraid and happy and secure in who they are doesn't feel the need to subscribe to that ideology.