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Python is still the most popular coding language, but challengers are gaining ground (www.techspot.com)
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The latest update to the TIOBE Index reveals notable shifts in the world of software development. While traditional programming languages remain popular, many developers are seeking out technologies that can make sense of the vast amounts of modern digital data. Legacy languages like C, COBOL, Fortran, and Assembly still have their place, but they no longer take center stage.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago

TIOBE is meaningless - it is just search engine result numbers, which for many search engines are likely a wildly inaccurate estimate of how many results match in their index. Many of those matches will not be about the relevant language, and the numbers probably have very little correlation to who uses it (especially for languages that are single letter, include punctuation in the name, or are a common English word).

[–] 0x0 23 points 18 hours ago

Legacy languages like C, COBOL, Fortran, and Assembly still have their place, but they no longer take center stage.

"Legacy" languages?

2nd: C++ 4th: C

Right...

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I can't take https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ seriously: Visual Basic on place 7 of most popular programming languages right after JavaScript? More popular than Go, Rust, PHP and SQL? Haskell is more popular than TypeScript (scroll down to see other places)? TIOBE isn't a good metric, as they only check a few websites and a few engineers:

The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors. Popular web sites Google, Amazon, Wikipedia, Bing and more than 20 others are used to calculate the ratings.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If they count VBa as Visual Basic is not surprise.

You'll be amazed on the amount of development that's being made over MOffice in not technology companies.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago

I read further and there is some clarification if you scroll down to "Very Long Term History". Visual Basic and (Visual) Basic are two entries, where Visual Basic refers to "Visual Basic .NET" since 2014. And (Visual) Basic from the 90s to 2014 is a collection of all Basic dialects, which includes Visual Basic .NET. Color me impressed how to confuse people.

There is a difference between "Visual Basic" and "(Visual) Basic" in the table above. Until 2010, "(Visual) Basic" referred to all possible dialects of Basic, including Visual Basic. After some discussion, it has been decided to split "(Visual) Basic" into all its dialects such as Visual Basic .NET, Classic Visual Basic, PureBasic, and Small Basic, just to name a few. Since Visual Basic .NET has become the major implementation of Visual Basic, it is now called "Visual Basic".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Does SQL count as a programming language?

I know that you can write DB hooks and stuff but in my mind it still doesn't register as programming

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago

According to TIOBE (note can be found if you scroll down a bit):

The programming language SQL was added to the TIOBE index in 2018 after somebody pointed out that SQL is Turing Complete. So although this language is very old, it has only a short history in the index.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I really wonder about their methodology. JavaScript/Typescript is nearly ubiquitous in webdev, and has been making strides in the backend space for almost a decade now. No matter how you feel about it (yeah it's terrible, I've been press-ganged into it this year) it's a real force in the marketplace.

It's super surprising to me it's still behind C and C++.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

C/C++ still has a huge place in firmware, microcontrollers, operating systems, drivers, application development, video games, real-time systems and so on. It's a totally different space of programming to webdev, which might explain the surprise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

I'm not really a webdev, more backend or full stack at this point. I do know about C & C++ strong presence in firmware, OS, HPC, video gaming, and elsewhere.

But by the numbers there's a lot more webdevs than any other kind out there, and that doesn't even touch on NodeJS leaking into backend and elsewhere.

[–] 0x0 13 points 18 hours ago

No! C is legacy! No one uses it anymore! It's too hard!

/s

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The fact that the scratch language is in the top 20 should tell you how seriously you should take this metric. TIOBE measures the number of search hits mentioning the language. So a language that is popular with learners, or that has poor documentation and thus requires a lot of third party documentation, or that it is profitable to run ads next to will all be inflated.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I personally think the advertising bump is why matlab is on there. Matlab programmers are the kind of dingleberries that love to pay for something that everyone else uses a foss alternative for.

[–] embed_me 6 points 22 hours ago

Lol I love the unfiltered shade

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

A lot of the software that makes JavaScript web development possible is C or C++, like web servers, databases, operating systems, network devices.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Not only that, but with toolchains like deno, it's almost enjoyable

I wrote some telegram bots in deno and it's got one of the cleanest deploy chains around, just compile to an executable for the target architecture, and SCP it over. Exec is statically linked, and so it just works

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everyone that does frontend works with JS/TS and it's becoming popular on the backend as well. Definitely the most popular language IMO.

[–] nous 10 points 19 hours ago

*in the web dev domain.

Which also has a very disproportionate representation on the web - for obvious reasons. And it is very easy to get stuck in the mentatilty that all you see if the domain you are in so you over estimate how large it is compaired to other domains. But lets not forget general application development, old large scale enterprise, embedded systems, game dev, machine learning and many more spaces where JS/TS are barely used at all.