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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (9 children)

"Objectively" is such a fun way to describe what will always be a divisive position of power. Was any one president considered objectively good?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Grant's administration was deeply imperfect - corruption ran deep - but he eradicated the first KKK. I feel like that's an objective good, and anyone who disagrees isn't worth listening to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Does doing one good thing translate to being "an objectively good president" though? Broken clock and all that.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

FDR because one can be wrong about objective things

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (43 children)

Thank you for being honest and not trying to pretend you care about Palestinians.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I mean Kamala will be a horrible president. It's not possible to be a good president when it is a job to uphold the American empire and its power. Kamala will be horrible though with her support for the ongoing Gaza genocide, terrible and half arse healthcare and environmental plans when we can afford to be half arse on neither, she is also trying to outflank Trump to the right on immigration and police violence.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean, that's a good looking sandwich

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You and I have very different ideas of what a good sandwich looks like. I'd still vote for it though.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Doubtful on part 1. The senate seems to be flipping red this time. No senate, no new laws. Kamala won't be able to do shit without the Democrats passing legislation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And the protest vote contingent will blame her for it entirely

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Don’t worry, voters will definitely hand both houses to the Republicans in 2026 if she’s elected and they’ll take their orders directly from Trump.

Because that’s what always happens.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I just hope Trump is dead by 2026.

There could always be some other MAGA asshole to fill the void, but the dissolution of Trump's cult of personality would be a crippling blow.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There's always an asshole. Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump. And our electoral system and goldfish-memory population will continually put them into power.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Maybe a club, or a ruben. I don’t know about just plain ham.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What if it came with Dijon mustard?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

…… go on

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Sure the meme is Kamala can be a terrible President, but I would vote for a Ham sandwich to keep the GOP from power ?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Absent of any anti-Trump arguments, I'd like to hear the case for Kamala being a truly great President. A few policy positions she, in particular, is notable for?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There are policy details on her website: https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

But it's pretty simple overall. She's not a maverick, what's on offer is simply the Dem agenda with a younger change of guard. The Dems believe in running the economy from the middle class, because investing in people is how we achieve long-term economic success and improve quality of life. So all her policies are going to be the same they would have been for Obama or Biden: improve social protections, improve access to education, improve access to housing, lower costs of living, make the corporations and wealthy pay their fair shares, pull away from needless wars, strengthen international relationships and create trade agreements of mutual benefit.

She can talk policy until she's blue in the face, but we all should already know exactly what we are getting when we vote for a Democrat. The last time this country had a balanced budget it was Democrat. When we raise the minimum wage, it's a Democrat. When we try to make education more affordable or help those with student debt, it's a Democrat. When we strengthen unions and increase taxes on corporations, it's a Democrat. When we pull out of wars, when we increase social services, when we increase protections for minorities, when we secure our clean water and block chemicals and pesticides in our food and household products, when we raise fuel efficiency standards and make corporations pay for pollution, it's a Democrat.

It baffles me that we have to talk about this stuff like it's new. It's simple and it has been for years:

You want a party that runs the economy like adults, and works for the middle class and the well-being of the people: Democrats.

You want a party that works for the rich and corporations, blows up the budgets recklessly, and thinks the low and middle classes are a resource to be used and drained: Republicans.

While we are on this spicy topic today, someone please remind me, what did Jill Stein do?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

what's on offer is simply the Dem agenda with a younger change of guard

See, that's what I'm not thrilled about.

You want a party that works for the rich and corporations, blows up the budgets recklessly, and thinks the low and middle classes are a resource to be used and drained: Republicans.

While we are on this spicy topic today, someone please remind me, what did Jill Stein do?

You're only arguing the "I'd vote for a ham sandwich to keep the GOP from power" side. You don't need to argue that part, we all know this, and it isn't what the person you're replying to was asking.

No one even said anything about Jill Stein here, bringing her up now feels like a very bad faith argument.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Amazing.

90% of my comment was to explicitly say what Democrats do. And you managed to single out the 10% that wasn't about Democrats.

Why stop there? Throw in some "both sides" stuff too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I didn't feel the need to go over the DNC point-by-point. I said the Dem agenda is what I'm not thrilled about.

Do I have to go point-by-point before I can ask why you felt the need to bring up the Republicans and even Jill Stein at all when it's clear that wasn't the question being asked? We all know they're bad, but the fact that it seems like the only way to talk about the DNC is to keep reminding us that they're not the other guys, you were explicitly asked to actually say what's good about Kamala without doing that.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (3 children)

90% of my comment was to explicitly say what Democrats do

To which their response was "yeah, that's not exciting, we've seen it before", they addressed it. You didn't need to write out all of those words when you'd already summed it up well with "basic democrat"

Being a Democrat does not make you an inherently great president, it makes you the not-shit option

So, when asked for an argument that's void of any anti-trump points you basically said "they're Democrats. Plus they're not trump!", which isn't an answer and includes the thing they said not to

Why stop there? Throw in some "both sides" stuff too.

Lol, "any criticism of the Democrats is right wing infiltration" is some shit taking for sure

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yep. I agree with you 100% and is why I've tried to stop engaging regarding politics on this site. It just seems like 99% of the posters are posting in bad faith, or insane levels of naivety. Perfection the enemy of good personified.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

Nah, it's just a few legitimately bad actors and a few naive folks. Most people here are pretty reasonable but it's hard to remember the guy dressed normally that walked past you three days ago while you will always remember the dude in the thong onesie holding a sign saying the great old ones are coming back any day to battle the frost giants.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

She used to be a prosecutor. That means she can see things from both sides and look at things objectively and not make rash decisions. It's a good quality for a president.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I mean My Only Hope from her being a prosecutor is that she actually prosecutes crimes, I'm not very hopeful of that especially with her seemingly not wanting to bring back Lena Khan, but I can dream. However normally being a prosecutor would disqualify you for me, good people don't become prosecutors.

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