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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (7 children)

"Objectively" is such a fun way to describe what will always be a divisive position of power. Was any one president considered objectively good?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Grant's administration was deeply imperfect - corruption ran deep - but he eradicated the first KKK. I feel like that's an objective good, and anyone who disagrees isn't worth listening to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Does doing one good thing translate to being "an objectively good president" though? Broken clock and all that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

A president who performed an objective good, if you like

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

FDR because one can be wrong about objective things

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

Absent of any anti-Trump arguments, I'd like to hear the case for Kamala being a truly great President. A few policy positions she, in particular, is notable for?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

She used to be a prosecutor. That means she can see things from both sides and look at things objectively and not make rash decisions. It's a good quality for a president.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean My Only Hope from her being a prosecutor is that she actually prosecutes crimes, I'm not very hopeful of that especially with her seemingly not wanting to bring back Lena Khan, but I can dream. However normally being a prosecutor would disqualify you for me, good people don't become prosecutors.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Start with what makes a good president? Obviously there's the issues and all that which people focus on, but that's subject to debate. Objectively, some qualities are definitely good, like being good at both urgent and non-urgent decision making, good at managing/organizing/handling chaos, capable of outsmarting adversaries, being a unifying force rather than a divisive one. Just to name a few. So let's look at those:

  • Decision-making: She's relatively young compared to recent presidents, definitely a bit more in touch with modern reality and less tied to the old ways of doing politics. She's faced a tough choice with her running mate, and while Walz has been criticized by some, given the short timeframe it's clear she at least didn't fuck it up. Her debate prep clearly succeeded, and she's avoided any scandals despite clearly Republicans trying very hard to find them. All of these show a record of decent to good decisions.
  • Managing, etc Obviously her campaign started in the midst of chaos, and there were a lot of fears regarding that transition. And it went probably better than anyone expected, with everyone quickly gaining confidence in her.
  • Outsmarting adversaries She did a better job at this in the debate than any candidate in my memory.
  • Unifying force Again I'll refer to her getting everyone behind her after Biden dropped, while also keeping Biden's support. Don't underestimate how unlikely that seemed before it happened.

I'll avoid comparing Trump who is obviously severely deficient in all of these respects. But I could go further and say she obviously compares favorably to Biden too, and compared to Obama, I'd give her an edge on outsmarting adversaries and managing, and Obama probably gets the edge on the other 2. But we'll see.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Sure the meme is Kamala can be a terrible President, but I would vote for a Ham sandwich to keep the GOP from power ?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Doubtful on part 1. The senate seems to be flipping red this time. No senate, no new laws. Kamala won't be able to do shit without the Democrats passing legislation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And the protest vote contingent will blame her for it entirely

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What's the protest vote contingent? The third party ppl?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Yup, a frequent refrain of there's is that the dema should be more effective since they've "been on power" multiple times over the last 50 years, during which a grand total of four of those and change featured a majority that could have actually done anything, and which alao had several members that would actively sabotage that majority doing anything.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe a club, or a ruben. I don’t know about just plain ham.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What if it came with Dijon mustard?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

…… go on

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Do people really put the veggies underneath the cheese and the meat? Have I been sandwiching wrong my whole life?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe JD Vance turned the camera upside down.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean Kamala will be a horrible president. It's not possible to be a good president when it is a job to uphold the American empire and its power. Kamala will be horrible though with her support for the ongoing Gaza genocide, terrible and half arse healthcare and environmental plans when we can afford to be half arse on neither, she is also trying to outflank Trump to the right on immigration and police violence.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I don't think Mama Cass would vote for a ham sandwich.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thank you for being honest and not trying to pretend you care about Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is there a candidate that would help protect the Palestinians? Like a legitimate one that has even a remote possibility of winning? Nah? OK I'll vote for the other things I care about then since that one is out of reach.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think Kamala will be an objectively great president

That means, not just in comparison to Trump, but actually good in general. The moment you say or endorse that statement, talking about Trump or whether there's a viable alternative is 100% whataboutism.

I respect you less than OP because you're now pretending like you care about Palestinians, and it's just because there's no alternative that you support Harris. I prefer it when y'all take the mask off, because it's pointless to argue against something the other side is only pretending to believe or value.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did you have a seizure or something?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Because your comment is so disconnected from reality that it's the only thing that makes sense to me. Genuinely concerned for you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

In what way is anything I said disconnected from reality?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (31 children)

The fact that you're asking just leaves me more concerned for you.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Too god damn true. That's mainly why I voted for Harris on my main-in ballot. She's not Trump, that's the primary reason.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Yep. She's not my ideal candidate, but she is better in every single way when compared to Trump.

Since it's easier to break things than to maintain, fix, or create, the choice is obvious.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

A ham sandwich can be eaten. Eating is good. That's 1 pt ham sandwich, 0 gop. Ham sandwich does more for Americans than gop.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

she could be a great president if she issues an arms embargo against Israel

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Don’t worry, voters will definitely hand both houses to the Republicans in 2026 if she’s elected and they’ll take their orders directly from Trump.

Because that’s what always happens.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I just hope Trump is dead by 2026.

There could always be some other MAGA asshole to fill the void, but the dissolution of Trump's cult of personality would be a crippling blow.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's always an asshole. Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump. And our electoral system and goldfish-memory population will continually put them into power.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Newt, Mitch and the others only have their local GOP cult, they don't have the national cult that the orange turd does.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Okay, Rush, Hannity, and Alex Jones & The Turds.

There will always be an asshole. That's the entire reason we even have government in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

That's not what happened in 2022, at least not quite. Don't underestimate Trump's ability to insert himself and mess up whatever easy wins the GOP would otherwise have.

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