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I wanna read something that's fucking brutal with fighting and sex and all the things, but also WELL WRITTEN (so NOT George R.R. Martin, I can't stand his shit). I want Lord of the Rings on crack and steroids.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (5 children)

"Malazan: The Book of the Fallen" by Steven Erikson has probably got what you need.

The main series is 10 books long, and they are amongst the most violent, brutal, but ultimately very well-written series I've ever (so far) read (still on Book 5).

Books 2 and 3 were too dark for my tastes but I plugged on through and I'm loving it. Great characters, wonderful dialogue, and way less obsessed with Food as GRRM

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I listen to audio books while I work and have been hunting for new long stories to listen to. I'll definitely be grabbing this one.

[–] ICastFist 2 points 1 month ago

Saving this for future references as well

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie is a fine example of grimdark high fantasy. It isn't overflowing with sex scenes, but carnal relationships are definitely in play.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

And it definitely ticks the box for "fucking brutal."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I loved this and the other trilogy of his that I’ve read, brutal and dark certainly, but his character writing is mint. I need to read more of his stuff!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I'll add it to the list! Thank you!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Richard k. Morgan’s foray into to fantasy “the steel remains” trilogy might meet that requirement. He’s the guy who wrote the altered carbon books, so it’s basically hard-boiled pulp fiction applied to swords and sorcery fantasy. Similarly Joe Abercrombie’s books operate similarly. Genre is… Grimdark I think.

Steven Erickson’s “Malazan book of the fallen” series also would meet the definition, but watch out—there’s a ton of them, and they can be a bit narratively challenging sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Man I got stuck on like book 4 of Malazan I think, it's been a long time. Still have the books though, I should take another stab at it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I’m still slowly working my way… think I’m in book 7 maybe? I sometimes find it hard with series where they change focuses and stories a lot, and malazan does that every book (the whole changing location every other book thing) and I also sometimes have trouble keeping track or who all the characters are, and who is dead, alive, or only sorta dead. But they are very high quality, even if I don’t always understand what is going on. Anyhow there’s so much of it I just dip in and out and will read other stuff for a while—definitely a marathon series haha

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

It's not exactly R rated, but Gideon the Ninth (and its sequels) don't shy away from gore and raunchy language.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I didnt like the ending, but yeah. I guess the follow on books are good too but I haven't tried them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The follow up book about Caul Shivers is possibly even better than the original trilogy. Check it out.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I came here to recommend The First Law trilogy. It's the definition of gritty

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I guess T. Kingfisher’s Saint of Steel series. It may not hit the “fucking brutal” mark but it does cover a lot of dark themes like loss very well for a fantasy, also not afraid to get racy. I enjoy T. Kingfisher as an author so I highly recommend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Sounds good! Thanks for the recommendation!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've been hyping up Dresden Files in damn near every book thread for the last four months, but damn if it doesn't fit here too. There's sex and murder in nearly every one of the books. The murder is very rarely clean, and the stakes are never low. Jim Butcher is one of my very favorite authors now, by a significant margin.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I just finished reading through the entire series a month or two ago - what a fantastic series.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

It has completely consumed my life for the last several months. I'm partway through Changes right now. I can't remember the last time I was this completely absorbed in a book series.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

My guilty pleasure. His books draw me in but some of the sexism/arrogance (especially in earlier books) makes me cringe. Doesn't stop me from staying up too late to finish one if I've started. Butcher knows how to keep me hooked.

His newer series the cinder spires is quite good as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

If you'd be up for modern fantasy you might enjoy Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere, or American Gods.

For high fantasy, Brando Sando has violence aplenty but not sex. I really like the Stormlight Archives.

I also wouldn't write off the Shattered Sea series by Joe Abercrombie. Yes, they're labelled YA but it just makes them easier to binge.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Thomas_Covenant

Cenotaph Road series by Robert E. Vardeman. More sci fi than fantasy, but fantasy adjacent sci-fi.

https://www.goodreads.com/series/74984-cenotaph-road

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'll look into it. I'm a little sc-fi'd out at the moment, but if it's adjacent, it might do. Thanks for the recommendation!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Covenant is fantasy, so that might be the ticket

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Gap Cycle is SciFi, though. Its fairly fuckin dark.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The Black Company by Glenn Cook is pretty dark. It's about a band of mercenaries taking part in a world war where there are basically no good guys. The first book stands well on its own, but it is part of a trilogy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I'll add it to the list!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Gods yes, awesome series for sure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The world and the story is interesting, but for some reason I didn't like how the book is written. Have only read the first book though, got the whole trilogy as omnibus, so will eventually get to the next two books.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Poppy Wars which had an eastern theme.

The Prince of Nothing series which is quite grimdark in a fantasy setting.

The Crimson Empire series is a darkish revenge story.

The Covenant of Steel about a poor boy rising through the ranks.

The Rhenwar Saga involves more magic than the rest.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I remember a book series called "something of Krondor" or "Krondor the something" that was really violent and brutal. They made some RPGs based on it too, but I don't think they were ever popular; I have never encountered anyone else who ever read the books or played the games.

Read 'em in highschool and I haven't really thought about it since which is why I can't really remember the complete title or who the author was.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I have never encountered anyone else who ever read the books or played the games.

Well now you have. I played (and finished) Betrayal at Krondor.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Mark Lawrence - Prince of Thorns. Loose fit but it scratches that itch for me anyway. Maybe it will for you too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lies of Locke Lamora is beautifully written gritty fantasy. Thus far there are 3 books in the series.

I've never read the Warhammer 40K books so I can speak to the quality of writing, but the series definitely matches the genre of interest.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

NK Jemisen’s the fifth season was amazing. It won a Hugo. Then the sequel was amazing and different and won the Hugo.

Then the last book in the trilogy was crazier and won the Hugo.

Truly wild magic and a very very brutal world.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

TIL there's a sub here for books.

Terry Goodkind wrote the Sword of Truth series beginning with The Wizard's First rule in 1994, with 17 books in the main series and I believe still ongoing. Not much sex, but it has the brutality down, and is very well written.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Goes weird and hard to follow after the 4th book. Even the 4th was a bit of a drag

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you like swords and sorcery? Sounds more like that genre than high fantasy. Not that I'm the genre police.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I didn't even know that was a thing, so yes, I'll take it!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Cool. It's mostly older stuff but here's some info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_and_sorcery

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Check out the work of Fritz Lieber especially his Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser Series. They are short stories but compiled into books now. Great intro to sword and sorcery.

Also the book series as a huge influence on DnD since Gary Gygax was a big fan

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I mean sounds like you want gore. if you wanted softcore porn piers anthony is the way to go but I can't think of something more brutal than gore. going to be interesting to read replies and see what else is out there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Another vote for anything Steven Erikson or R Scott Bakker

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