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Oh no, not just my build server, Microsofts build server... Everyones' Azure build server - (if you're building on windows)

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[–] [email protected] 245 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Imagine your compiler performing a license check.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

It's not using just the compiler. This agent is configured to use the full version of Visual Studio for some reason, and building through that, which requires a license. You can build via the msbuild system, which doesn't require a license.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

There are companies selling a relabeled GCC with the O flags behind the license check.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 months ago (15 children)
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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago

Absolutely proprietary

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (3 children)

As a sysadmin, fuck certificates. They are the bane of my existence. I vote we abolish certs and go Irish honor system!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How is the Irish honor system different than a regular honor system?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

certificates fucking destroy everything in my work for an hour once every year because of expiry

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You are supposed to be tracking when they expire and then renew/replace them before they expire.

[–] MajorHavoc 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You are supposed to be tracking when they expire and then renew/replace them before they expire.

I've been told that, as well, but I'm not sure I see it... Seems like a lot of effort... (This is sarcasm. Or is it just too much honesty?)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Certs have existed a long time, are never implemented correctly, and the expiration cycle that is supposed to bolster security just causes pain as a result.

Certs should just be redesigned to have a kill switch. CRLs were supposed to handle that, but are rarely implemented or implemented correctly.

Certs are also used in so many places where they may not be suited to the task, but because they exist, they've become the de-facto standard.

A temporal expiration system seems flawed from the beginning anyway. What, you don't trust your system anymore just because time has passed? Time is always passing. Are we all secretly racist against clocks now?

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago

I swear to the gods, proprietary software is going to be the end of civilization...

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Why are text editors cloud services now?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago

So they can charge subscriptions

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago

I can't believe it's real. 🤦‍♂️

https://status.dev.azure.com/_event/543117809

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft Hosted Agents have an expired Visual Studio license.

Is it like, Microsoft has to renew licence with Microsoft?

Or are they pushing for an upgrade?

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I don't get the appeal of azure because of things like this.

annoying how much they try to push it

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Moving to the cloud is a business decision not a technical one.

Csuite sees us spending Capex 200K on a server or 2 and several thousand opex per year to maintain it.

Cloud takes that 200K Capex and move it to Opex with significant markup markup.

From a technical pov we st it as a waste but business will business itself into cost overruns

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

But they promised we could save a ton of money with their monitoring dashboards we won't look at until suddenly we get a bill that is 5x what they promised!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The company I work for loves Azure. If it's not available as an Azure service it won't be used (except for uptime kuma). Some time ago there was a global Azure outage and we could do literally nothing. All tasks and code were on Azure Devops and all communication went through Teams and Outlook.

The webhook integration has also recently been removed from Teams so uptime kuma also didn't work for like a week until it was fixed by using Azure's automation service.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Azure is absolute trash. Its like Word but for the cloud.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, they do have word for the cloud now.. But I get what you're saying

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Walled garden or die

Thats how i read azure

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

If you look at it as generic could provider it's not good, but if you look at it as making m$ run they're software instead of you it's awesome because most m$ software is not fun to run

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Isn’t that an IDE? Why would a build server need that? Sigh.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For using msbuild or vsbuild to build C projects.

Can be installed standalone but it's typically just easier to install the full VS suite because on a shared runner it's better to include the entire kitchen.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For C, I use Makefiles. The Microsoft ecosystem sounds like a nightmare.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They started at Java's build system and set a course for Hell.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Maven works without an IDE. (And so does ant if you’re going back that far.)

And really early Java we used Makefiles.

Anyway all of that worked without an IDE.

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[–] cheddar 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm not familiar with the service, can someone explain? Like, are all pipelines on Azure affected? Or is it some internal stuff where a company relying on paid tech forgot to pay for it?

[–] MajorHavoc 10 points 2 months ago

I think they forgot to pay themselves to use their product.

[–] RonSijm 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, not some internal company, just Microsoft being Microsoft. So all Windows pipelines. They also have Linux based pipelines so not completely all pipelines.

But given that a lot of people build dotnet stuff on Azure, the 'windows-latest' image is usually the default. So a lot of pipelines

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am not sure if Martin would appreciate his name this clear on the lemmyverse.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

~~I didn't even know VS Code was something you could pay for.~~

~~Also, are you using Discord bots for work?~~

Edit: Nope and nope.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As is tradition with MS and their complicated naming policies Visual Studio is not VS Code.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Also, VS Code is mid, not even working correctly and definitely not OOB on Linux in my experience, and VS just does not support Linux at all. And is shit anyway.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

VS's built-in .NET debugger is top tier, though. Especially the ability to edit code while it is running.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you want twenty minutes of rage-filled ranting, ask me about vscode-server sometime.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Visual Studio and VS Code are two separate products, I'm afraid. Visual Studio is a .NET IDE and build tool, as opposed to VS Code which is essentially an extensible text editor.

Edit: also the screenshot looks like it might be from Slack?

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[–] RonSijm 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's not a Discord bot, it's a Slack RSS App / RSS subscription.

Event Source: https://status.dev.azure.com/_event/543117809

It's pretty useful 'for work' because occasionally you'll get notifications when parts of infra might be down (like your build server)

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