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[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I want this chart, but add the third Z axis of "environmental cost" whether it be just CO2 emissions or a "total" impact score.

I imagine those legumes get even stronger, while the meats lose ranking.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

this is such a great resource to understand why footprints are ridiculous metrics and how interconnected our industrial agriculture systems are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This is not a great resource, because cows and sheep get 95% of their water intake from eating grass and drinking rain water. But when you grow vegetables, you actually have to water them a lot.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Excepr they barely eat grass anymore, but imported soy from deprecated tropical forests.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

if you follow the citations they call that green water and break it down

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago

I like this scatter plot. If you really want to get freaky with it, you should take into account the “protein digestibility-corrected amino acid scores.” Things like eggs and whey are 100%, beans are usually in the high 70’s, and peanuts are actually down at near 50%.

So for nutrition’s sake, not all protein sources are created equal, and it makes sense that if you are trying to get adequate protein at the lowest price, you also want to get sources where you can eat the least of it to satisfy the protein requirements of your body.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Curious where tofu would be at on this chart.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

Probably somewhere around the legume cluster. They're really pulling their weight there, as expected, though peanuts are quite the dark horse.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Pricing and product availability is regional and variable, but some napkin math using my local Walmarts pricing puts it at:

  • 5.33g protein per 100g food
  • $3.04 for 30g protein

That puts it in the green veggie cluster if I'm not getting the axes confused.

[–] brian 20 points 5 months ago

the problem is there are a ton of varieties of tofu, and they're all generally around the same price. it seems the silken tofu have around 5g of protein, but some of the extra firm varieties have over 15g protein per 100 tofu, putting it in a much more respectable spot in the bottom middle with the grains and such

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

c/theydidthemath?

Thanks so much, that's very helpful and actually a little disappointing.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Is that extra soft tofu? It usually has more protein than that. A pack of extra-soft I have is 8g / 100g, and some other varieties seem to be 10-15 from online sources.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I used a firm tofu, purely because the only other option was over four times the price and the chart specified they used the cheapest price/weight possible. The soft tofu does have about 30% more protein per serving for the same weight, but the price would likely make it an outlier.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Great post!

I wanted to add that this isn't quite how proteins work. Those protein-rich legumes aren't what you would call 'complete proteins.' There's a number of amino acids our bodies use as proteins and while legumes are a good source of many of them, there's a couple proteins you won't get enough of from just the beans. Fortunately, brown rice- while not as rich in protein- gives you the proteins that the beans are lacking. That's why beans and rice are a match made in heaven.

Herbivorous animals are just better at metabolising proteins from plants and of course they're capable of eating much more than us. That's why they're able to live off of grass.

This just stuff I read up on a few years ago so if I've gotten something wrong please say so

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (5 children)

It's extremely unlikely that anyone with an even vaguely normal diet isn't getting all the essential amino acids as those complementary to legumes are found not just in rice but in all grains and seeds. So it's not just rice, any kind of bread, pasta, oats, barley/spelt/etc. or nuts will do. And soy is pretty much a complete protein.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The infos in your comment aren't wrong, but it's missing a crucial point: If you live in a developed country, you're likely eating 2-4 times as much protein as you actually need.

Even when a certain legume has only 70% as much content of a certain amino acid, if you eat double than what you need, you still reach 140%.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure what the implication of living in a developed country is. People can have vastly different diets in developed countries and people may have different protein needs. Just because you live in a developed country doesn't make you immune to malnutrition.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think it's just something that has to be considered in a wider context and people are bad at that in general.

See my friend who is quite obese and suffering from diabetes including kidney issues and bad liver enzymes, because he was obsessed with being big and lifting heavy things and obsessing about cramming as much 'protein' as he could thinking that weight lifting would burn off all the 'bad stuff'. He got way more protein than even any body builder could possibly need but was still always making a big show at gatherings of eating so much stuff to maintain his physique (which didn't look muscular, he always looked fat, but said his muscles weren't for show and that's why he looked fat not muscular).

So when some post seeks to help folks by indicating good sources of protein, it can trigger people that have no protein issues to make worse decisions, and it's worth pointing out that most people concerned about getting lots of protein almost certainly already have plenty of protein.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

See the following on the concept of complete proteins: https://youtu.be/psAlJtgeQsY

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Explains how elephants are able to get so jacked without consistent income, they just poppin' them peanuts for days!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Peanut butter is the secret to success

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This would be cool with ratio of protein to calories as well, in the same format.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Yeah protein vs calories would be way more useful than protein vs weight.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Probably should also be noted that you're almost certainly eating more than plenty protein, no matter what you do.
As in, for medical reasons, when people have a dodgy liver, it's helpful to reduce protein intake to what they actually need, but with how much protein our usual diet contains, it's really difficult to get there.

Interesting podcast/video on the topic: https://zoe.com/learn/podcast-should-i-eat-more-protein

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This may be helpful from a cost / gram of protein but its a bit misleading on the grams protein/ 100 g axis for beans - those are the dry bean numbers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That seems reasonable, given they presumably use the price for dried beans as well. When you care about price (and therefore about about a price/protein graph) you buy beans dried.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Using a smart pot (like the ninja foodie) makes preparing dried beans a piece of cake. I’ve been making pintos, white beans, and chickpeas (for hummus) on the regular now. Really brought my costs down, especially when buying beans out of the bulk section. Thank god for winco.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Comparing liquid to dry foods on the same chart is completely disingenuous. Also look at any label. Cows milk always has more protein than soy milk.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I don't see what you mean. The left axis is a measurement of cost per gram of protein. The bottom gives you a measurement of density. So anything lower on the chart is cheap for what you get and then the further right you go the smaller the portion required to consume to get that amount of protein.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This data seems way off - steak has 24-30g of protein per 100g, for example

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It would be nice to see cholesterol counts on here as well. Good work though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why? I thought dietary cholesterol had little to nothing to do with blood cholesterol levels? That’s what it seems to me like this source is saying, but I’m not an expert by any means.

Source

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sirloin steak needs to be added to this. It's not only cheaper than other steak but it's significantly higher in protein too at 27g per 100g.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

how legumes have more protein per weight than ground beef?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

80% ground beef is 20% fat

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

80/20 ground beef has 17g of protein per 100g, lentils have 9g per 100g

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

maybe its per dry solids? yeah something doesnt seem right though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's what it is, which is a useless metric.

Cooked Pinto beans are 9 grams of protein per 100 grams.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Yeah, it's dry weight. I just checked the labels on my beans at home. They all approximately 7g protein per 35g beans (i.e. 20g protein per 100g beans).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Most likely dried legumes vs uncooked meat that is full of water.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

What, no grubs?

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