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[–] [email protected] 81 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Subscription-based models are a plague, but at least Jetbrains products eventually offer a perpetual fallback license for if you stop paying.

It's absurd that Adobe can just take tools you might depend on away after years of paying the subscription.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago

The basic software like the Intellij Community Edition is also fully open source. (And it's not actually basic at all. It's a great full featured IDE)

Basically you're only paying for their support/updates and for specific language and toolkit support, which makes sense to me. They need to pay their staff somehow.

It's not comparable to Adobe or other crappy manufacturers where you own nothing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What do you mean with perpetual fallback license?

[–] con_fig 52 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you stop the subscription, you don't get upgrades. But you keep whatever the last version you had, it's not locked out by a license check.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

That’s good, I think that’s a much better and fairer model than being locked out completely of a thing that you did pay for.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Basically when you buy your subscription you also get perpetual access to the current X.Y.Z version + any future bugfixes (Z). So if you stop paying next year you still have access to the version from when your started your subscription.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Ah, makes sense , thanks!

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If I subscribe for 10 years then can't afford it any more I'm rewarded with a 10 year old version of the software? It should be the version that was current when you finished your subscription.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

as soon as you pay for 12 consecutive months, you will receive this perpetual fallback license providing you with access to the exact product version for when your 12 consecutive months subscription started.

So at most your software will be 1 year old.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

That's not so bad. Thank you for the clarification.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (3 children)

JetBrains might not be my friend but they don't hold anywhere near the dev tool monopoly Adobe does for artists. Know what happens if JetBrains starts to blow massive ass? I finally sit down and figure out how to get my terminal editor working with my LSP. Yeah I lose some productivity but not as much as I'd lose by using Visual Studio or fuckn Eclipse.

[–] Buckshot 27 points 5 months ago

I think another key difference is everyone can use whatever tool they like and still work on the same codebase. They don't have proprietary file formats that lock in you and your entire team forever.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Also, doesn't the jetbrains license let you continue to use the version that was the latest as of when your license ended. It's a small difference, but also kinda huge.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's the version from when you paid your annual subscription (or 12 monthly payments ago) plus any bugfixes.

So you buy 4.3.2 and you will always have access to 4.3.Z

2 months later they release 5.0.0. Your subscription let's you use 5.0.0. If you cancel your subscription then can go back to your perpetual version 4.3.Z

At least that's how it's supposed to work

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

At what point do I get to keep 5.0 instead?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Assuming you keep paying, 12 months from its release if you pay monthly or you'll get a licence for whatever version is newest at the point you renew if you pay yearly

[–] RonSijm 5 points 5 months ago

No. I know this because a couple of times my license expired, and 30 days before it does you'll just get a little warning in the IDE - or in tools like Resharper. After that it just stops working.

[–] Michal 3 points 5 months ago

Iy used to he that, but they're pushing the new subscription model now and i don't think the old one can still be purchased.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

If you are interested there is a great repo to get you up an running on neovim without messing with anything. I got LSP support out of the box and took me less than a week to fully transition away from vscode. It's called kickstart and is maintained by one the neovim contributors. I've done minimal tweaking months later.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

donate to your favorite open source project instead!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Some JetBrains IDEs are fully open source. Does Adobe have anything like that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Brackets, although its unmaintained

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Then why is Gabe Newell on my Friends list? 😌