Programming

Id say it’s experience by the programmer that is at fault, and that’s due to this bootcamp nature of learning programming.

You are getting downvoted, because this is factually proven wrong by studies and internal analysis of several huge companies (e.g. google/android and microsoft). A huge number of exploitable bugs are preventable using memory safe languages, nowadays even without performance costs (Rust).

Apart from that your point is orthogonal to the point of the post. You can have better trained coders and have them use better, safer technologies.

We could also just train every driver more thoroughly including mental training and meditation to make sure they are more calm and focussed when driving and we maybe wouldn't need seatbelts anymore. But:

1. Is that a realistic scenario?
2. Why not use seatbelts anyway, so there's a higher chance of not dying if some driver didn't sleep well that day?

Gently, I would ask you to think about yourself in a future role where you have too little time, and are under too much pressure, and you haven't gotten enough sleep, and you're distracted on this particular day, and you happen to make a mistake, leave out a line, forget to fix a section of code you were experimenting with...

And even if you, a paragon of programming power and virtue, would never find yourself able to be hurt by your tools, you must surely know that mortals have to work with them as well, right?

Even the best programmers are going to make mistakes at times. Saying the solution is to just be perfect all the time is impossible.

Memory safety issues were a thing even before bootcamps and "bootcamp culture".

Even if you fix expertise, intention, and mindset - the entire workfield environment and it's people - mistakes still happen.

If you can categorically evade mistakes and security and safety issues, why would you not?

but I disagree wholly that it’s the language’s fault that people can exploit their programs. I’d say it’s experience by the programmer that is at fault, and that’s due to this bootcamp nature of learning programming.

Considering that even the best programmers in the world can't write correct programs with C/C++, it's wrong to absolve those languages of the massive level of memory safety bugs in them. The aforementioned best programmers don't lack the knowledge needed to write correct programs. But programmers are just humans and they make or miss serious bugs that they never intended. Having the computing power to catch such bugs and then not using it is the real mistake here. In fact, I would go one step further and say that it isn't the language's fault either. Such computing power didn't exist when these languages were conceived. Now that it does, the fault lies entirely with the crowd that still insist that there's nothing wrong with these old languages and that these new languages are a fad.

Heartbleed, that famous cve written by a bootcamp grad

All programmers make mistakes that cause memory safety errors if the language doesn't protect them. This is a well documented fact, not an opinion.

While I agree wholeheartedly with the idea that we need to emphasize quality over quantity, so long as software pays well there will be people who don’t care. In my university I’ve met a fair few people that complain about having to learn about compilers, assembly, and whatnot because “I’ll never need to know that in my actual job”. While to some extent in the United States you can blame the fact that classes just cost a ton, I think it’s a sad reality that, barring some key change in the way our whole education and economic systems work, there will be unimaginative apathetic people that will ruin things for the rest. Plus people are fallible or something I dunno. But yeah void pointers are my jam because I don’t have to wait precious clock cycles making new ones jk.