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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (4 children)

TOML and YAML both have the problem that if you receive an incomplete document, there's a decent chance you can't tell. JSON doesn't have that because of the closing curly.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's not a problem of a format and should be handled by transport or storage.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It very much is an aspect of the format. You may deem it unimportant, but it's a feature that is missing from toml and yaml.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's not a responsibly of the format, so, at most, it's a mere side effect. In any practical process which could result with truncated data, even if it handles data with such property, it should be wrapped in a container which includes length. At the very least, it would allow to trace the source of truncation, e.g. was the data originally truncated, or was it truncated in the process, and change the format without shooting in oneselves foot. And the generating side should always provide success flag which should be properly handled, since it may produce syntactically correct, but semantically invalid data. Such as checking exit code of process which generates json/yaml in question

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What about processes that terminate before writing the whole thing? You can't protect against everything. Blame other processes all you want but the language spec allows for confusion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You just check the exit code, no? The other process may fail while generating syntactically correct data too, regardless of format.

[–] suy 6 points 9 months ago

Doesn't YAML have a (seldom used) feature of a start and end of document marker? The "YAML frontmatter" that a few markdown documents have, uses this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Good point, I'd been interested in using toml

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

On the other hand, I hate that with JSON you can only store one document per file.

Some programs allow you to omit the outside braces, others require it.

But I do hate toml, and I don’t much like yaml either (why are there like 8 whitespace permutations?!)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What's wrong with TOML? I personally think it's great for configuration purposes.

[–] NostraDavid 1 points 9 months ago

One thing you can run into is that nesting things is hard in TOML: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48998034/does-toml-support-nested-arrays-of-objects-tables

The syntax is simply not built for that, because .ini format.