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Obligatory, fuck Spez
It is also disingenuous to label Ukrainians as Nazis, just because a couple of them are. Just like there are in every other country, be it Russia or USA.
Except in Ukraine the Nazis hold power, because the US installed a far-right puppet regime that refuses to hold elections. Now they’re spending millions erecting monuments of famous Nazis.
I'm not saying Zelenskyy is an angel, but the constitution literally forbids elections during war. Pick a better reason to criticize the government, there are plenty real ones.
You believe constitutionally enshrining authoritarianism to be an adequate defense of it?
Did the constitution also make him ban all opposition parties and media?
He didn't enshrine anything, it was already in the constitution before he was elected.
Regarding suppression of opposition, good, now you're bringing up more reasonable criticisms. But guess what? That doesn't make him or Ukrainians in general Nazis. There's a lot of authoritarian stuff still leftover after Soviet era, it takes time to move away from it.
And guess what, Zelenskyy, with all his issues, was a definite step up from the president before him (at least until the war happened, anyway). And the one before him was a definite step up from his predecessor.
You know who doesn't have that luxury? Russia and Belarus. Maybe criticize them for authoritarianism, instead of a country that at least is making progress.
My country isn’t sending billions in modern weaponry to Russia (at least as far as I’m aware). But they are sending them to Nazis in Ukraine, so I have something to say about it.
Well, you still definitively called Ukrainians Nazis after I provided you with enough information to make you at doubt that assessment.
I envy your mental gymnastics skill. Wonder how you maneuver around the fact that "a Nazi nation elected a Jew president with 75% vote share".
No, I didn’t. Pointing out a Nazi regime being propped up by the US is not a declaration that all Ukrainians are Nazis. Seems a move of desperation on your part to attempt to distort it into that.
To use your own tactic against you (but unlike your attempts, effectively), earlier you claimed that "Ukrainians call themselves Nazi". Now you're saying that you don't call Ukrainians Nazis, but only the government. And I'm the desperate one, countering your every argument with facts that you ignore, while all you do is attempt to find inconsequential loopholes in my statements to declare yourself victorious. Meanwhile, I'm yet to see even a single substantial argument that would indicate that Ukrainian government is Nazi. So far your arguments were:
Simply repeating something doesn't make it true, you have to back up your claims. Instead you just gloss over all the counter arguments I make, like there being plenty of Jews in Ukraine and the president himself being a Jew, that completely invalidate your claims.
There’s plenty of valid criticisms leveled against “the US” that have nothing to do with me or most of the people who live here, but rather a criticism of those in power. The folks who take those criticisms personally are usually speaking with a guilty conscience.
I’m accusing my own government of being league with Nazis now, and it didn’t take that much convincing. Any hint at pro-fascism will get a fierce rebuke of any US politician who dares dip their toes into that, and calls for them to be banned from public service. Those defending them tend to be secretly supportive of their fascism.
So what’s the deal with you? How much more Nazism would have to come out of the ruling class in your country to earn your opposition? Or is this a secret supporter kind of deal?
There's plenty of valid criticism towards Ukrainian government, which I have explicitly agreed to. Them being a Nazi, however is a false claim at best and deliberate propaganda at worst. If somebody is challenging your false claim, and showing that you're wrong, it doesn't mean that they are taking it personally. But of course you're gonna stick to your tactic of ignoring my arguments, and in addition now throw in an ad hominem attack. Ukraine is not even "my country", I'm not a citizen and can't vote in elections, so I can't even "take it personally".
And to answer your question, I would easily admit that the government is Nazi, if I saw at least 1 solid point proving that fact. So since I haven't observed, and you failed to provide any, I'll have to insist that your claim is blatantly false.
Also yes, you got me, I'm a middle-eastern-looking, brown haired, dark-skinned Nazi supporter. (/s for absolute clarity)
Every shot you take is a miss.
So now that claiming a personal stake isn’t helping your argument, you’re dropping that?
https://lemmy.world/comment/14900993
Given their history it's like Germans with Nazi tattoos. Yeah a few might exist, but if the government starts actively recruiting them you might paint with a wider brush.
Never again means never again, and God damn did Ukrainians love the Nazis in WWII.
Saying that the government is "actively recruiting" them is also disingenuous, because it makes it sound like Nazis were specifically desired and chosen, as opposed to some recruits just turned out to be vaguely Nazis. Battalions of vaguely Nazi dudes exist in Russia, yet nobody is trying to denazify Russians.
And if you mean that the initial not so negative reaction of Ukrainians, hopeful that the Germans would free them from Russian oppression makes them Nazis, then, again, you're being disingenuous. In the end Ukrainians had the most casualties fighting the war against Nazis. Nobody is currently calling Finns Nazis, even though they didn't oppose them for similar reasons (getting back at Russia for oppression).
My dude ukes killed more Jews than nearly any other group from Eastern Europe. They weren't cautiously optimistic, they actively volunteered and aided Nazis. This isn't even controversial history.
why did they do it? why did they support the nazis and not the ussr? also you're full of bs, only because my great grandpa was a nazi doesn't mean I'm one and nazis are everywhere not just in ukraine, you simply hate ukrainians because daddy putin and xi tell you to