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That's because these programmers are getting paid by the character.
This is also why Java dev pays so well.
System.out.println("Wow, so little amount of characters to print this!");
Or the slightly more readable brainfuck:
++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++.
Hey! Brainfuck is a fun puzzle language and nothing someone does at a job to do money per character. Would be funny if yes
std::cout << "Wow, so little amount of characters to print this!" << std::endl;
printf("C wins again\n");
p "Ruby FTW!"
std::puts("Why do so many C++ programmers not use the right tool for the job?");
I use tabs because I prefer 4-space indents and others might prefer 2-space indentation or the gross and unacceptable 6-space indentation.
If more than one person is working on a code base, there will likely be more than one preference, and with tabs everyone gets to just set their own tab width.
Yes, even the 3-space savages.
Tabs work fine as long as you don't align stuff. If you do, you have to assume a tab size and mix tabs and spaces.
Generally aligning stuff isn’t nice. But if you do, it’s tabs up to whatever level of indentation you’re at then spaces the rest of the way. So you wouldn’t have to assume a tab size. And the tabs and spaces have different semantic meaning (indent vs alignment) so mixing them makes sense. It's even built into Jetbrains IDEs, where it's called "Smart Tabs".
Although really just adding a level of indent is better than aligning.
This is a legit observation. However, I would argue that spaces needs a set indentation width anyway, so if tabs had a set indentation width that coders are expected to maintain when aligning code, it wouldn't make a difference. Enforcing that in practice may be different, but in theory it works.
It's OK, I replace all the tabs with spaces for uniformity. Tabs are stupid and they mess things up when I paste stuff. I like to watch the world burn.
Imagine not having an IDE that automatically fixes the spacing of pasted text.
I'd imagine it's because people who use spaces are either further in their career in average (because the modern programming ecosystem in general uses tabs so new devs are more likely to only know that) or they're just more serious about software development because the kind of person to die on that hill is also the kind of person who is very obsessive about other things as well.
Wait. Are tabs used more often in modern stuff? Almost everything I use does spaces and I'm not that new to programming. Been doing it for maybe 5 years. I use spaces in everything but Go.
Most text editors people use (like VSCode) generally automatically adjust tabs to be whatever the standard indent is for the project (and convert to spaces if it's necessary). As a result, indenting with tabs usually just works, and so most people just learn to do it that way. Also people are used to using tabs for indent from things like Word which they used before learning to write code. As a result, I've noticed most people use the tab key (even if their not technically "using tabs" every time they do it).
Yeah, I have my tab key set up to insert spaces. I meant the characters being used, not the key used to write them.
I think the deeper generational thing is in the idea that anything "just works". Like I'm a programmer, right, so I know shortcuts. Ctrl+S saves the file, simple right?
Me when I want to save a file: Ctrl+SSSS. Why? Because I don't trust it "just works". Same reason I don't trust auto save. Same reason I am stunned every time I tell windows to diagnose and fix the network problem and then it actually does.
I grew up in a time where you couldn't trust any of that shit.
I generally trust things that "just work" so long as I know why and under what conditions.
But you get smaller files with Tabs: https://www.madskristensen.net/blog/performance-of-tabs-vs-spaces-in-html-files ;)
That's cause they pay us by the byte the suckers.
[ ] tabs [ ] spaces [x] why would I even care, I press tab and the editor puts either a tab or a number of spaces, couldn't care less...
Seven semicolons are the correct way to do indentation (it even alliterates):
int main
(void) {
;;;;;;;printf("like this\n"); }
the correct way is to never indent and never use whitespace. Saves memory.
Your goal should be 1LOC every month, no more.
all code should be written in one line with absolutely no breaks. it's the most efficient way
Is there any actual advantage to using spaces? I have seen similar posts for a while and as a tab user I don't understand why they are any better than just a tab
The indentation always looks the way you wrote it even in raw text viewers, is generally the argument.
Is this some kind of python meme I'm too C++ to understand?
Now, I'm completely willing to start a war about { going on the next line.
It goes on the line! If you put it below, you're wasting a line for no extra readability!
It goes on the next line, so you can have open and close brackets at the same indent depth for easy visual matching.
Your closing } goes on a new line below at the same indent depth as the line containing the open {!
fn main() {
println!("WTF?");
}
PS: I know what you meant
This, as it also helps when using % to go to the matching open/close bracket when the cursos doesn't jump all around the place..
Totally agree, all my { end up on the next line, 1st spot when starting a function, last character of the keyword when starting an if/for/... section. I even put the closing one on the same line when it's single line, else either at the end of the closing line (when changing really old code) or same indent.
So indenting varies a lot, which makes most 'new' programmers go mental.
while (my code)
{ I'll do it my way }
if (! liked)
{ toughen-up }
else
{ get used to it
multi-line can go both ways...
}
That is, unless the font used messes it up. ;)
That’s horrible.
Why isn't the else curly lined up with the end of the else word? I'd your gonna go crazy might as well go all the way I guess 😜
Tabs make more sense because that’s exactly what they’re for, indents. Ignoring how it looks, which makes more semantic sense for an indent, or ? You wouldn’t use a bunch of spaces to indent a paragraph, so why would you use it to indent code?
And by using tabs the IDE can customise whether it's displayed as two character or four character deep indentation. It just makes so much more sense.
It's insane that anyone considered spaces to be a sensible default. Yet I primarily develop in C# where four spaces are the standard so that's what I use. However the reality is the IDE handles all the formatting automatically so I'm never actually typing four spaces
I'd assume this is a product of space users being older and thus earning more, but that is wild speculation.
Casualty / coincidence
Did you mean "causality" ?
Someone here made a longer explanation in a blog post why it's that way and what this corresponds to: https://evelinag.com/blog/2017/06-20-stackoverflow-tabs-spaces-and-salary/index.html