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I have my problems with Meta, but I'm hoping this will help Mastodon grow

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Do we really want Facebook users just for the growth? Quality beats quantity.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

Give them a taste and then defederate...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The good thing about the fediverse is that instances can choose with whom they want to federate.

In my opinion, there should always be choice and people with terrible opinions should be allowed to express them – just like others should be allowed to laugh, ignore and block them. Whether we like it or not, the fediverse includes everything from left-wing to right-wing extremists. But we can choose an instance which excludes all those unwanted posts, just like we'll be able to block surveillance corporate instances.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

bigotry isn't only difference of opinion

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ultimately I think I'll end up running two accounts

I respect if my Mastodon instance decides to defederate because of a legitimate threat from Facebook, given the company's consistently awful history.

There will also be some good people worth following who want to use FB's Threads for whatever reason. If I need to, I can use some special frontend or web browser version to read the content.

So whether we stay federated or not, at the end of the day it'll be ok as far as being able to see things from the people I care about.

In the meantime, I'm going to bring as many people over to the real Fediverse before people get settled into one or the other

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Fediverse? Do you mean, the Threadiverse?

I'm being cheeky to illustrate a point - Threads will almost certainly harm the overall health of the Fediverse in the long run, with users relying increasingly more on Threads' instance[s] to use Mastodon services and connect to people.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This may be a cynical view, but even if that does happen, the core ActivityPub protocol will still be intact and at worst be relegated to a small community of tech nerds, which is to say, basically the status quo.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The core of the software will be intact, but the community will be broken - because once Threads pulls the plug (EEE), instead of a stable community you'll have a shrinking one.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or from another angle, they won't be able to entirely pull the plug. If they try to but users still want to be on mastodon, they can find another way.

That said, I support the immediate defederation with any threads instances.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

They can pull it - most users in Threads will be interacting with other Threads users and content. Mastodon will be simply "that ideologically weird corner", and in practice they won't miss it.

For scale: Threads currently has 100M users. The Fediverse as a whole has 1.5M.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And I think that will go both ways. I mean, we all already have the option of joining threads right now to interact with those 100M users but I have a feeling most that are here aren't.

Their joining the fediverse will be more disruptive than their leaving it I think. And that's not even considering the higher costs to anyone running instances, since all that extra volume won't be processed and stored for free (though admittedly I am not familiar with the implementation details of how federated content is handled).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Their joining the fediverse will be more disruptive than their leaving it I think

Eternal September-like? It's possible.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

the core ActivityPub protocol will still be intact

Will it though? My guess is they're working on "fixing it" to what they want 24/7.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Isn't threadiverse already a term to specifically describe the kbin/lemmy/etc. style of fediverse service?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

It's both, it depends on context.

Here I mean a Fediverse that is mostly controlled by Threads.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think you mean WASN'T threadiverse already a term.

Yes, it used to be. Soon, it won't be.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Eh, I can see politicians self hosting their own instances from their party or what have you. Same with governments. There is a potential as well that x.com may decide to federate out of survival if it gets too big.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why would they self-host and do work when they could just use Threads? It's not like FB gives a fuck about treasonous political parties.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The same reason Trump has his own social network.

Own instances give a lot more control. They can be as outrageous as they like, full on Trumpian, even. They can also control what gets said in that space much more effectively, seeing as how they are the mods and admins. And they don't have to worry about Meta or Reddit (I doubt Musk even cares) getting media backlash and removing them from the platform entirely.

Sure, Threads can defed from any controversial instances but it will be trivial to create a mirror that effectively refederates the problem instance.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Seriously, how does that dude manage to look so inhuman? He looks like someone pretending to be human and trying really hard, but missing that one last bit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

The trick is to always be faking empathy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And I would assume he chose that picture too. It's not as bad at full size, at least he has some color to his skin and doesn't look like an alien methhead as much.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

Nope. Please fuck off, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

So the hate for this is now gone and replaced with praise? What happened to all the posts about how this is an attack on TNT frediverse when Meta first announced this integration?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

My stance is still a hard fuck no to Threads entering the fediverse.

Edit: My reasoning can be read in my old comment here. It's all still applicable in regard to meta/Threads federating.

There's no logical reason to give them the benefit of the doubt or have unrealistically positive expectations given their overwhelmingly consistent track record.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Oh there's hate, there are a lot of unreasonably, pro-threads upvotes and comments making the rounds.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That's OP's opinion and some users here, but I don't praise it and I don't think it will be good for fediverse in the future. People will start using Threads app since they can interact with other fediverse instance. And there will be more drama and more toxic content just like on fb, twitter, tiktok and ig.

This is even more concerning

I will consider to stop using lemmy..

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

already defederated

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Threads is making its first moves to EEE the Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Someone did a breakdown here, I still think it's a great idea to defed from them immediately.

https://wedistribute.org/2023/08/threads-new-terms-affects-the-fediverse/

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Fuck off. Defederate these guys.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And just remember that a substantial amount of Lemmy users want this, because they are too blind, childish and immature to see the very real negative consequences such a move will have.

But they only care because they're either bots or hopelessly stupid simps.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They will be able to dictate how mastodon works of they become larger than the rest of the instances. Their stake in the network will make them more powerful than all the other instances combined.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I dislike how the comment section is full of people hating on Mastodon people

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Mastodon wearing the face of activitypub and fediverse really leads everyone to think it's only mastodon. Replace mastodon with activitypub, because there's lots of projects that are actually innovating instead of Mastodons (x)shitter cloning.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So seeing as the name is still threads does that mean he won the lawsuit someone filed against them to change the name as someone else already had that name for their product/company?

Like rules only exist if you're not a billionaire I guess...

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