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It had been in the works for a while, but now it has formally been adopted. From the article:

The regulation provides that by 2027 portable batteries incorporated into appliances should be removable and replaceable by the end-user, leaving sufficient time for operators to adapt the design of their products to this requirement.

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[–] [email protected] 236 points 1 year ago (47 children)

GDPR

forcing usb-c

forcing removable batteries

The EU sure is handling tech laws and tech giants a fuck of a lot better than the US is. Damn.

Jealous.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago

Well yeah, the US is set up for giant corporations to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible regardless of how much it will fuck over the customer, bonus points if fucking over the customer doesn’t include immediate proof of physical harm to said customer.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Wait until you hear about another awesome thing they're trying to do: chat control

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The real danger behind Chat Control and similar measures, is that countries won't even have to utilize parallel construction anymore. No longer will dragnet surveillance mostly target the big guys. They'll be able to basically automate prosecution of any crime that they desire.

Think about how many little slices have been taken out of our freedom pie over the last 10 years. How many similar dystopian laws have passed despite our outrage?

Technology is outpacing our ability to protect ourselves, and countries will keep pushing boundaries until nothing is left sacred.

Oppression never sleeps.

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[–] [email protected] 178 points 1 year ago (16 children)

The real issue nowadays is the software, although this is still a good step.

But being stuck with no software updates after 2-4 years still renders them unusable (when also locked down).

They should be forced to provide open bootloaders, firmware and kernel drivers once the devices reach end of life. Maybe even include hardware details and schematics, etc. for full repairability.

The efforts of devices like the Framework laptop and Steam Deck should be commonplace. It's insane we put some corporation's patents and trade secrets above the environment.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (20 children)

While they have other not-friendly practices, Apple does well on the software side. The iPhone 8, going on 6 years old this September, is still running the latest version of iOS.

I've been away from Android for a while now. Is it still the case that there is a lot of fragmentation and updates end prematurely? Or is there another OS / software you're thinking about?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Android/Google tried to make this a bit easier through Project Treble, which is like a "core" of android that can be easily updated, then vendors build their modifications on top of it. It's pretty widely adopted now, but that doesn't stop companies from deciding they don't want to support hardware from three years ago even though it is still compatible with the latest Android core.

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[–] [email protected] 132 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Honestly, the EU's where it's at.

  • Universal standards like USB-C instead of proprietary ports that cause waste
  • Removable batteries
  • GDPR
  • Universal healthcare
  • Right to repair

Invest in your people, and you'll go far.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Just a small note, universal healthcare isn't an EU thing and not really adopted properly across the EU's constituent countries

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)

EU is the only government body in the world that does something meaningful for the average consumer.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (47 children)

I have seen countless videos on tiktok of people being against this move, and my question is why? why wouldn't anyone want to be able to extend the life of their expensive devices, why wouldn't people want easily repairable batteries that take less than 5 minutes to swap out?

the only argument ive seen against this is "OOH BUT BUT BUT THE AESTHETICS OF THE PHONE" who cares? function should always be over looks. and if anything it will end the trend of phones being glassy slabs and bring some innovation and new designs to the table. which will be interesting to see.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Oh but the aesthetics of the phone" proceeds to put phone in case and never see the actual device it's entire lifespan anyway

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What about aesthetics? They used to have removable back covers before and there wasn't any seam visible. This is not even a valid argument imho.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Battery pull was always a great way to unfuck a frozen phone

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Aesthetics are the same bogeyman excuse used to justify really any significant change in a phone since IP ratings first came in with. I recall back when USB-C was first showing up in smartphones, there was a time where simultaneously some manufacturers were pushing for the change and others trying to push back on it, with both groups citing aesthetic reasons.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Once again the EU showing the world that they are pro-consumer.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I currently still own an LG G5 (LineageOS). This is what an actually removable and replaceable battery looks like and should be like. This is that same phone in water for two minutes. This phone is from 7 years ago. Only phone left on the market nowadays with those capabilities (probably even better) is Fairphone.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (7 children)

"The regulation provides that by 2027 portable batteries incorporated into appliances should be removable and replaceable by the end-user"

By the end user! Oh shit, nice one!

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (33 children)

This is great. Now the producers of smartphones will have to make their design around this!

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Great! This "water-resistance" bullshit is the biggest bigtech scam ever, it's insane how they almost killed repairability in the name of "water-resistance", that scam should have never been allowed.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love water resistance. You don't need to get rid of water resistance for removal batteries, we had both, together, at the same time, before. Samsung s5 active.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

Changing the battery on my laptop extended its life by 4 years. This is a great legislation.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (32 children)

I never had to change my phone because of something other than the battery

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

I miss replaceable batteries, but not just for sustainability. Having a spare battery with you is much, much, much,... better than carrying a power bank + cable with you, which also can't give your phone juice instantly. Also sometimes the batteries may randomly become universal, like the Nokia BL-5C currently used in many radio receivers.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

It feels weird that governments have to force companies to give us back what we used to have.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Thank EU for saving us from descending even further down into capitalism, also please keep the American influence in check within your own ranks.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

@AccidentalLemming the EU be saving our asses from these big tech companies

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This is great news. I am looking forward to seeing how the makers will react to this.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

What a wonderful way forward towards right to repair.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

and they will be aaaall proprietary. one battery per phone model. and companies still will release updates that will cripple the phone every 2 years. nothing will change

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Continue with expandable memory EU

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reversing course to what we already had in the past. Flip phones are making a comeback, removable batteries, what feature will come back next? Headphone jack? MicroSD?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I certainly want a MicroSD slot and a headphone jack on any phone I buy. These are features I use. A lot.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

while we are at it please get rid of that "premium" glass back

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Common EU W

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