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As I've heard Threads is not yet ActivityPub federation enabled- meta is going walled garden for the foreseeable future.

Benefits of federation would be:

• Massive available content boost for Lemmy, making user retention and growth easier.
• Much wider general user awareness of Lemmy and the Fediverse via federated content titles showing off instance names. May drive more natural user growth.

Cons of federation would be:

• Data security. it's Meta. Any and all user information, including admin data, naturally exposed by federated services instantly gets sucked into the Zuck data vacuum to build a user profile. Right now, we're still reasonably insulated from them.
• Spam. Threads is already massive by virtue of sucking in all the Instagram users. They would COMPLETELY drown any natural Lemmy content in their sheer volume of posts and votes, meaning lemmy native communities will struggle to gain any widespread traction over their Threads counterpart.
• Content manipulation. Anything Meta chooses to promote via their "algorithm" will end up on the top of every federated instance, meaning they can now effectively manipulate all Lemmy content by simply bombarding federated instances with whatever they want.
• Moderation. I'm not gonna sugar coat it, the average Instagram user is really dumb and it brings in all the shitty people with it too. Moderation of small instances will become impossible by sheer volume while federated with Threads.
• Principle. Meta's practices of extensive monetization and monopolization goes against every principle the fediverse was founded upon (freedom, decentralization, and emphasis on the user rather than the advertiser). By federating with Threads, you are giving Meta a free license to monetize the content you are paying to host on your own independent instance, for free. That just fucking stinks.

Pros:

Cons: We're federating with Threads.

Edit: I appreciate the upvotes, but please use your votes to boost @[email protected]'s post with a link to an excellent post enumerating in great detail all the reasons why we should defederate Threads.

The content is facebook-oriented content. Idk if it would even really be the kind of audience that most of the fediverse would be able to sustain.

As it is, reddit was a concern for many people. Facebook? Not a chance.

Besides, large scale defederation discourages Meta from trying to weasel their way into everything like that. Don't encourage them. They want you excited, but overlooking the massive issues.

Pros: millions of users can interact with your instance

Cons: This is a super blatant attempt to consume all data. They have been doing this for years. “Log in with facebook” They see the value of the fediverse and aim to become the mainstream place for new accounts. Those users can then interact with any kind off community they want. Meta is not responsible for content on other instances. But they are harvesting all of it trough millions of clueless spies.

opposing points thread

Quality over quantity. Can you say for certain that the massive amount of content will be worth having?

only cons

I want Meta's data without having to give Meta my data. Defederation is a perfectly reasonable action for any single instance but please, don't try to get all of them to do it.

Meta's fine with transphobia. I am not. It can hardly be called a decision at that point, I don't need Libs of Titkok and their ilk filling my federated feed.

Is there a place where lemmy users get to vote on whether we eventually fed or defed? Or is that decision decentralised to instances as well.

My point is it will suck if we just have to tag along with whatever decision is made without having a say. Personally I don't want my experience in Lemmy to have a damn thing to do with Meta or FB...

Also apologies if I'm derailing this thread, let me know and I will make a separate one.

Anyone that's upset that there's not enough people here wouldn't be able to complain about that anymore,

They will however have all the new people to complain about.

Early adopters that are willing to overcome a small challenge and will work too fill out the empty communities are great friends.

The onslot from Instagram is going to look a lot more like zombies.

Maybe I'm missing something, why would threads show up on Lemmy when it's more like Twitter or mastadon?