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Some Walmart employees say customers are getting hostile at self-checkout — and they blame anti-theft tech::When Walmart's anti-theft self-checkout tech alerts an employee of a missed scan, it can cause some uncomfortable situations.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Ever since the pandemic, curbside pickup has been the norm at our house for groceries.

We use Kroger, not Walmart, but I had a recent experience relevant to share.

I was out running an errand and my spouse asked me to go grab a couple items from Kroger since it was nearby.

I hadn’t been inside the store in like a year, so I was surprised to see gates at the door that opened and closed upon approach and walking away.

Also, while shopping, at some point suddenly the wheels on the cart locked up, causing me to bang the ever loving shit out of my shins on the cart frame. That’s when I got to learn about the new “anti-theft” wheel lock tech being used on all carts now.

I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I wanted to flip the goddamn cart over and kick the absolute shit out of it… but I knew that wouldn’t help.

…But if I read a story about someone going and drilling holes in every single one of those cart wheels, or setting fire to them all, or breaking the gates, I would laugh.

I imagine as soon as someone gets something worse than bruised shins and brings a lawsuit against these stupid companies, we will see these stupid things go away… but until then, I’m not fucking stepping foot inside any store that has that bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The grocery store in my city became straight dystopian. It was always a sort of sketchy area but nothing that bad. After the pandemic, they added a second armed, vested private security in black, one-way turnstiles going in and out, increased cameras with screens on every aisle that showed you with the words "RECORDING IN PROGRESS". They even added locks to the frozen section, so you had to get an employee to help you buy ice cream. The police and security would tackle clearly unwell people who were shoplifting food, face pushed into the concrete type of thing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The police and security would tackle clearly unwell people who were shoplifting food, face pushed into the concrete type of thing.

Cops can generally get away with that. Store security guards assaulting customers open the store up to a lawsuit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

True, the store security usually didn't actually do anything, the police would be doing that while the security talks to them, but on two occasions I did see the security tackle a person.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The "bad" grocery store near me has taken to posting security cam pictures of people they catch stealing which is a terrible, awful, extrajudicial thing to do, but I would be lying if I said it does not make for some hilarious pictures. It's a big wall of shame right as you enter the store.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ that all sounded (unfortunately) normal until the locked freezers. That's a step too far. I mean, all of it is, but that's actually a ridiculous concept lmao

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My wife's creepy racist incel uncle had a fit once when we went into a store and he saw himself on the security camera. He said he doesn't like seeing himself. My sister had the same reaction to seeing herself pre transition and apparently it's a common theme among trans people who haven't realized it yet.

I know it's a bit of a tangent, but he's rabidly transphobic up to the point just short of being blatantly hateful. He's obsessed with my sister and other trans people and made a lot of obsessive and creepy jokes about dating them.

This post triggered my PTSD.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm surprised it locked up like that. About 15 years ago I was a frequent customer in a store that had these and I never encountered any problem with it, nor did I hear of anyone else encountering a malfunction while using them.

That store implemented those locks because they were the closest supermarket to a college campus. Some students were taking the carts back to their dorms and chaining them up to a tree with bicycle chains. They would also use those carts to go shopping in a nearby supermarket of another store chain.

Different continent though, so it's probably not entirely the same technology. People like reinventing the wheel.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

People like reinventing the wheel.

I see what you did there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I always try and smash my cart into the gates extra hard every time I go through

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Remember everyone. If you see someone shoplifting from Walmart, no you didn't.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Maybe they should keep some non-self check registers open then. I was a grocery store cashier in high school and college and I got $20/hour for doing it (adjusted for inflation). Right now if I see a store only has self-check open I will walk out, what I want to do is start tracking my time then mailing in a 1099 and an invoice for my time.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'd never think to harass the poor employee who has nothing to do with the store managenent's decisions...

However, when I'm pissed or tired I'll sometimes be rough or sloppy with the machine, and I get pissed if they have too few manned checkouts for how crowded a store is. Banging items against the scanner glass, tap selections on the touch screen forcefully with my ring etc.

To keep the self-checkout machines company, I'll act like a machine too. If I unsuccessfully attempt to scan something, after 5 tries I "timeout" and move onto the next item.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's gone further here.. we have shops with scanners so you scan the goods as you go around.. in theory speeding up checkout but..

  1. 25% of the time you end up selected for 'random check' so an employee has to come and rescan everything anyway
  2. If there are any 'restricted' items a like painkillers, a different employee has to come over and allow them.

Given the chronic understaffing meaning you're basically in a queue for attention, it frequently takes longer to get through the 'rapid' checkouts than it would if I simply queued up and got someone else to do it. But as far as the supermarket thinks they're winning as they pay fewer people.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (11 children)

It's funny, my local Walmart ditched the weight checking part of the self checkout so it's quick and easy, yet every time I go at least one person has managed to fuck up badly enough to need to call help over

Meanwhile I'm getting a decent discount on my purchase, which is nice

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't understand people that get upset and hostile at employees in these situations. When I go through self checkout I go in with expectations already set that it's very likely that at some point during the checkout process the machine is going to trigger an alarm and an employee will need to come over and override the alarm. It doesn't happen too often, but when it does my first reaction isn't to get all pissy and throw things at the cashier.

If you have no patience for this sort of thing, then go through the regular checkout. See if it takes longer going that route.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The store has chosen to save money by pushing work onto customers via a buggy robot overlord.

Employees are the only person you can complain to.

Just more billionaires making things shitty for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I could justify it if even a fraction of a percent of the savings were actually passed on, or hell, even distributed to the few employees they still have. But no, it lines the fat cats pockets.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I do agree that complaining to employees is useless, but it's also a really frustrating situation and it's not like you can get the CEO on the phone to complain. I wouldn't personally complain at an employee, but I do get how someone might in the midst of such frustration.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a consumer, what’s your other option?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What regular checkout? Around here they are all closed down and only self checkout is available.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Take all your shit to customer service and check out there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It’s an asshole move everyone should use until they stop understaffing checkout.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

What customer service? That shit's closed too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I think a lot of it has to do with that last part of your comment. The amount of times I've gone to the grocery store to find there's no register open other than the self checks or that there's 1-2 open at a huge grocery store with a 6-8 people in line for them and no self check line... People are being forced into self checking when they don't want to. These people are obviously going to be more easily upset by issues with the self check machines. Walmart in my limited experience (try to never buy anything there if I can avoid it) is the worst offender I've seen.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I would LOVE to go through a regular check out! If only we still actually had more than 2 open in a full supermarket. It's not about time taken, though, it's about the sheer level of inconvenience that it's become. It's an active pain in the ass to have to do the job that used to be done by employees, with shitty machines that yell at you every few minutes, while actively being recorded and treated like a criminal, and have to go through another checkpoint where they're going to once again actively treat you like a criminal and look through your receipt. Or I can spend like, 30 minutes in line at one of the two open cashiers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In Sweden we usually have a self-checkout alternative where you acquire a wireless scanner when walking in, scanning when picking from shelves and put it directly in shopping bags.

At checkout, you just pay and walk out. There is random controls, where an employee will check like 5 randomly chosen things from the bags. This is seldom though, like once every three/four months or something.

Makes for very quick checkout.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I would guess this wouldn't work in many countries with a more prevalent stealing culture (among which mine, France).

I don't say that out of nowhere, it shocked me when I went to Sweden and I saw people alone leaving their bags at their place while they go to the bathroom / getting their orders, or just leaving their bike unattached - even for five minutes I would guess it would be quickly stolen in France.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We have it as well. I call it the anti-boomer queue (so no queue)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I'm cool with checking myself out I actually prefer to but the anti theft nonsense is to much. Nearly everyone triggers it and last time I had to wait an extra five minutes for an employee to clear it and then they had to count 20+ small items all because I waved my arms over the machine fixing the cuff of my shirt.... I don't blame the employees that's their job

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

LET ME AT LEAST MUTE IT

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course. Sometimes it doesn't work. Often times it's an honest mistake that a cashier themselves may have made. And now WalMart is treating you, a paying customer like a criminal.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

All the retail shops that were built 20+ years ago have a ton of un-peopled check-out stands. My local grocery store. My bank branches. The hardware store.

Companies have reduced their staffing to two or three checkers and a self-checkout line.

We're doing the work for them. They're hoarding the profits. It's a mess.

My local BofA branch has twelve or thirteen checker stations and I've never seen more than two people at the counter. I don't know when the branch was built, but it was clearly at a time when the semblance of customer service existed. Now, long lines and poor service are normalized and the idea that you'd shop around for a better experience is non-existent.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Is this an American thing? We had these things in Europe for years, and I never heard of anyone having problems.

Older people still prefer regular checkout, scary computers and that sort of deal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

In my nearest supermarket (europe) it is a pain. You go through self checkout cause it should be faster, but it works like shit, and you have to wait a lot until someone comes to fix the problem. We are civilized, though, we don't cause problems to the shopkeepers. Still a pain, though

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in europe and the issues I've had are getting an alert that an employee needs to come to check and sometimes that can take awhile.

One store also has a scanner so you self scan as you go BUT the paying part is at an actual employee instead of a machine. Every damn time they are alerted to randomly pick some items from your cart to check if any weren't scanned. And every damn time they pick the items at the bottom of my basket and damage stuff because of it. Or sometimes there is no one at the checkout so i stand there with my basket/cart and scanner like an idiot for 3-5 minutes for an employee to show up. That might not seem like a long time but it sure feels like it...

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not at walmart, but one of our supermarkets in town has two self-checkouts. I tried them a few times, and they were so f-ed up that I gave up on them. One time, the machine did not accept any cash, but was stuck in the menu choice "pay by cash" without a "back" button. So I took my stuff to the normal checkout, which had the problem that my steaks had already been scanned. Solution: leave a bag of 20+ Euro meat at the checkout, and get a new one from the butchers shop.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The last few times I've walked into a Walmart, the place has been a disaster.

Shelves empty and in disarray, no evidence that they ever did carry the product I was after, the building in an increasing state of disrepair.

I'm done with this company.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Seems like i have a complete different experience of self checkout here in Germany. But why? Are our devices newer?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Same Czech Republic and Slovakia. All the stores have now majority of sell checkout registers. People prefer them. No issues with them.

There is usually one person assigned to 6-8 of these that is watching and making the corrections.

It cut the waiting time significantly.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

One time I went to wal-mart and at self-checkout there was a security guy (with a bulletproof vest...) with the employee. I don't know if he was there to look intimidating to potential thieves or to protect the employee from violent customers, but I did not like the feeling of him watching me scanning my items. Am I a customer or a potential profit-loss theft for wal-mart? I fucking hate that company...

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