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[–] [email protected] 150 points 1 year ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. The Fediverse has a lot of growing room in the QOL department and is hampered by the relatively small (and often part time) dev teams working on it. Meta comes in, builds a compatible platform, then starts offering meta-platform only 'improvements' that offer those QOL features. Rest of the Fediverse dies out because 'meta' isn't that bad and they aren't abusing their position (yet).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That's super depressing

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/

If the founder of Mastodon isn't worried about Threads, I won't be, either.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

You absolutely should be. If Mastodon instances will start federating with Meta I will defederate them. And move my accounts from any instance that federates with them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

His lack of worry seems to be founded in Meta Defederating, not federating, though. Meta would do more harm by being a part of the community than by leaving a ways down the road. It seems like a particularly myopic view of possible problems with Metas move.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Saved for later, but small startups/operations always know the will play second fiddle and be the smaller guy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Microsoft literally invented the term, but even they've abandoned the philosophy and pivoted to contributing to the development of open source software. Who's to say "Meta" won't be making contributions to the development of ActivityPub itself like Microsoft does with Chromium? I won't be signing up for Threads since I already have Mastodon, but I'm also unconcerned with it joining the wider fediverse and look forward to following the people who do use it from my Mastodon account.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ummm... You do know this is Meta we're talking about right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Microsoft changed and so could Meta. They’re out to make money not just to be evil so if they think this will make them money they would do it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They also won't hesitate to be evil if they think that will make them more money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's true but connecting to the fediverse is definitely trying to keep the government off their back about being a monopoly. Playing nice is in their best interests for now. If that ever changes they can be defederated at the point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Microsoft could just as easily change back, too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Meta makes a lot of contributions to open source. Jest and pytorch are two tools they have made open source. They have their eyes on killing Twitter and connecting to one of the biggest alternatives is a smart move, but eventually if all goes well they won't need mastadon anymore. That's the concern I think. Once threads is big enough they will quietly remove activitypub support and screw up mastadon in the process.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yep, this is precisely what I thought too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

EEE famously doesnt work very well, Microsoft who coined the phrase even gave up on it after a number of unsuccessful attempts

I wish people would stop spamming EEE

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There have been a number of times where it successfully stifled the advance of a more free or open technology. It can't necessarily "extinguish" in the sense of totally destroying a technology, but it can destroy the openness of the technological landscape. Just look at how Google has layered their crap on top of the open core of Android. Or look at how Apple has successfully gotten like a third of all iPhone users to be openly hostile to anyone who uses SMS and/or 3.5mm jacks. Or hell, look at what's going on with Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm of the opinion that people who look down on you for not using their chosen product are just awful people to have in your life.

Cut them out and make it clear that it's because they have no respect for you and your choices.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The nice thing with open source software, there is relatively little stopping you from using it.

Except of course if your workplace or educational institution has some restriction or imposition on the software you use. Which tends to be the result of the ubiquitous nature of proprietary software.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

More like it is taking a shot at Mastodon, Lemmy and Kbin. They are trying to make a product that nets them financial gain out of the fediverse. So if we are federated with them then they will be able to see everything from other instances except all users of "Threads" will get their data stolen and sold by Facebook for profit.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Federating or not federating with Threads in the context of them “slurping data” is a ridiculous discussion. They can just stand up a Lemmy instance at billjoejimbob.com and slurp it indirectly out of there.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

I suppose there is no stopping them in that regard. They will do what they do. The best we can do is simply not use their app.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd be more worried about just the general polluting of sites like Lemmy with Facebook type garbage more than anything else personally.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

On this we can agree.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago

Meta is straight-up evil. Their whistleblowers proved it. They will do anything to control and ultimately destroy a community through invading privacy for monetization. They should be defederated instantly and universally.

No matter what they say; no matter how benevolent they seem; and no matter what they offer, their intentions are evil, as is their endgame. They won’t keep their word, and they’ll destroy everything here. Don’t fall for it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Fuck Meta and Zuck

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

More like “let’s embrace all the users who are already there and try to convert them to our app/server”

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

Step 2: We are Extending the fediverse with our open source contributions. We are such great citizens of the fediverse and we like to contribute . Step 3: We have decided to exit the fediverse because of reasons. But don’t worry! All the people you like to talk to are on Threads already. Come on over!

The 2020s are shaping up like the 90s again. All we need is Steve Ballmer as Meta ceo and the circle will close.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“let’s embrace all the users who are already there and try to convert them to our app/server”

i don't think the people who came here, hoping to avoid meta and other big corps, are the type of people who would switch to meta's instance. Rather only current meta users.

Besides de-federating from meta (server side) is not the way to go about this, as you'd be encouraging people to use meta's apps, since.. they would have no other choice. Everyone keeps bringing up EEE, well you'd be contributing a massive amount to it by doing that. Mastodon has client side defederation anyways, so the user has the ability to defederate for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe less taking a shot at reddit and more trying to differentiate itself from the other major platforms. At least that's how I see it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm failing to see how Reddit is relevant here. Am I missing something?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

If you're not going to immediately defederate from Meta instances the Fediverse baby will be strangled in the crib.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I think it's taking a shot at Twitter primarily but starting the EEE on Mastodon, Pleroma, etc. Lemmy/Kbin is not entirely safe, but not in the direct line-of-fire from what I can tell.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I lurked real quick. I don't get it though. There's no communities that I see on there just peeps to follow. It's like mastodon without hashtags, trending, news, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

.. so it's good to be evil sometimes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Probably more taking a shot at mastodon and blue-sky. Blue-sky still hasn't actually federated with the rest of the fediverse so I doubt whether threads will actually do what they are saying. maybe they are just using it as marketing. They wouldn't make money from ads if people just used a mastodon instance to follow people on threads.

Personally I think they'd have to charge monthly for their curating algorithms. maybe one day there will be loads of small instances that each have their own bespoke curating systems that you can choose from.

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