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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Why do we have pictures of a cop when there are so many of plain clothed, mask wearing, and unidentifiable ICE guys?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

This is dumb, police have been hiding behind roadside billboards to catch speeders since the advent of the car. It's nothing new.

I for one am glad for speed enforcement, I fucking hate people who race on highways or city streets, dodging between cars with half a car-length to spare in front and back. Before texting, speeding caused the majority of highway fatalities.

I don't know who I hate more, cops or fucking asshole drivers.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm with you on this one. I don't support the corrupt/abusive actions of many police, but people who bitch and moan about being targeted for speeding and/or driving like assholes fucking deserve it. Now sure, getting popped for going just slightly over is garbage, but those aren't the drivers or the incidents I'm talking about. There's a weird sentiment among a lot of drivers that traffic laws are just arbritray and optional. I will always cheer for police who catch the worst of them, and I wish it happened more often.

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[–] kunaltyagi 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hate bad designers. US has some egregious road design.

Don't make stroads. Either make streets with traffic calming or roads. This will reduce most of the need for speed checks.

And instead of hiding, just put that car in plain view. People will slow down automatically. You can even cheap our and out a cardboard car to fake a police car, studies have show this works😂

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

hiding and being visible are very different philosophies on speed enforcement:

hidden cars and cameras are intended to slow people down in general; marked cars and cameras are intended to slow people down in specific areas

neither are particularly right or wrong imo, and in fact where i live in australia both are used regularly

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I live in the Netherlands with streets full of traffic calming measures people speed here all the time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My take on this is, why hide? The mere presence of a police car typically makes people behave in traffic, and if they don’t then they can still get nabbed. Wouldn’t it be better to be visible and a looming threat without the profit incentive of just getting people for tickets?

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[–] sudoku 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let's be honest, police trying to catch speeding cars or compulsive phone users with unmarked or hidden cruisers is not the reason why people don't trust the US police.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

I can only speak for myself, but I absolutely add any form of hidden speed traps to the list. Cops know they can perform "traffic calming" by parking a marked cruiser in an easily seen location, be it on a highway or a city street. People see the car and slow down. This works anywhere it's clear they can join traffic and pull you over. The officer effortlessly achieves a local bump in traffic safety just by sitting there, and cops don't need to do risky traffic stops unless someone is really not paying attention. So that's gotta be the preferred method, right?

Meanwhile, hidden traps and unmarked cars have only one purpose: generate ticket revenue. The only mass "calming" that happens is kinda/sorta in the area where a cop has someone pulled over - and that's after the car is clearly visible.

Edit: We can also solve speeding and reckless behavior by engineering calming measures into the road itself. The freaking DOT wrote a manual for it. IMO, it's hard to view speed traps as anything more than a band-aid fix with this in mind.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Eh, if enforcement was actually consistent then traffic behavior would still change over time, even with unmarked cars. I don't really have sympathy for drivers who disregard traffic safety rules and I'm not interested in giving folks a fair shake at evading enforcement. Driving is a privilege and speeding imposes risks to society at large.

Frankly, I'd be fine if we forced cops to fund themselves through ticket revenue, up until traffic safety stats improved.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

For something like traffic enforcement it makes sense to hide

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Toronto police tried to pull this crap with the cars. They got so much heat they had to cancel and repaint the cars back. Rightfully the argument is that police are supposed to be highly visible. If someone needs help, how is camouflaging the response vehicle productive?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Trick question, they're not actually there to help

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

They're not there to help us.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

We can frustrate them by making them pretend they are at the very least.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Visibility is like their biggest deterrent lol

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

me just assuming every V8 Charger less than five years old, white, red or black and clean is a cop by default

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same for black, white or red Ford Exploders.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is why I believe people who buy white Ford Explorers are likely dicks. Don't act like you don't know.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

They also have shit taste in cars. They don't call them Exploders for nothing.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Every time I see police markings on American cars, they look to me like the cops are trying to be cool and hip with their sick fonts. But to me it just screams unprofessional.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

They didn't used to look like this. The shift happened sometime in the late '90s - early aughts. The fonts and designs until then were gradually modernized but it was similar to corporate letterhead. They also shifted from baby blue shirts to all black around the same time.

The image went from stressful/powerful bureaucrat in a funny uniform to GI Joe action figure.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The shift happened in direct response to the ruling of Harlow V Fitzgerald in 1982. That case fucked up a lot of things, because SCOTUS was, unknown to them, handed an illegally amended version of the law in question that was relevant to the case. The law is § 1983 of the federal code. When an unnamed secretary was tasked with copying the Congressional Record of 1871 into the Federal Register in 1874, said unnamed secretary illegally removed a 16 word clause that completely reversed the intent of the law.

http://web.archive.org/web/20230520080201/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I mean, I guess you can make the case that it was that one particular thing.

This is a major cultural shift away from peace officer to Judge Dredd. It's more than just the one, admittedly terrible, court ruling. You can just as easily make the argument that right wing talk radio of the time was the major driver of the change.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

GI Joe action figure.

I don't think that's a coincidence. Consider when Jeeps started showing up with all the off-road accessory options. I've seen some that were just short a Cobra/Joe logo on the side. Gen-X is has been in the management and disposable-capital age bracket for a while now, making all the decisions that drive these aesthetics, and we were all raised on that stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Can confirm. I moved from the US to Canada nearly ten years ago, and it's been approximately that long since I found a cop's presence intimidating. I don't ever feel like the RCs are out to get me.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 days ago (8 children)

It really depends on the area and execution. Though this has been abused heavily by money-hungry police departments, if they solely set their sights on stopping the pieces of shit who weave wildly between cars while going 40+ kph faster than the flow of traffic, which is going 30+ kph faster than the speed limit, I’d welcome the stealthy police presence.

I’d like to go a week without nearly being run off the road by some fucker with a death wish, but the police have decided their priorities.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Recent 2hr drive in California: five or six cars were an order of magnitude more dangerous than any of the other thousands of vehicles. Incredible.

Speeding? Okay yeah people are gonna speed.

Racing at 90MPH for a quarter mile in the right lane to cut off a truck and get one car ahead, then tailgating until you can cut another big rig off? That has to be the cause of a decent number of crashes we see on the shoulder.

I’d try leaving speeders alone a while if it meant catching more of the tailgate->cut off->speed->tailgate->cut off drivers. (I know this is all been studied, just complaining)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

See, I don’t even understand tailgating. How’re you supposed to see far enough ahead to cut off the next person if your view is exclusively the trunk of an over-tall SUV? It’s just poorly thought out from beginning to end.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (15 children)

Once on vacation with my wife, we were on a highway and saw a woman painting her fingernails while driving. She was doing this for a few mins and we heard a police motorcycle coming up from behind and we thought “Oh nice, go get her”… but they pulled us over instead! Apparently where the highway ends it goes from like 75mph to 30mph. Turns out cops hide in the area to catch people. It was a hefty ticket too since we were technically going “40mph” over (like everyone else). During the rest of our stay we noticed motorcycle cops everywhere! They were just camped out all over with radar guns in pairs trying to catch people. We ended up hiring a local lawyer to appear in court (since we had to appear in court for the ticket as well), since we obviously weren’t from the area. It was dismissed and we paid less for the lawyer than it would have been to pay the ticket plus insurance would have gone up each month.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In my area we often have oversized speed limit signs and maybe even a flashing light to indicate such a drastic drop in speed, did this area have similar signage?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

No flashing lights or anything that stood out. I am usually the one that points that stuff out. I’ve never seen that many cops on bikes hiding around, so I have to assume it’s just how this town was setup.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago (30 children)

Yeah, that hiding in the bushes bullshit is some wil-e-coyote nonsense.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

In Canada police vehicles are visible as all hell. A blind person can know there is a police car there.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

My “favorite” are those ghost cars where you only see the police markings if light hits it the right way. “Protect and serve” my ass.

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