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Russia has moved to classify key demographic statistics following a dramatic collapse in its birth rate, which has plunged to levels not seen since the late 18th or early 19th century, according to a leading Russian demographer.

For decades, Russia has been experiencing a plunging birth rate and population decline, which appears to have worsened amid its ongoing invasion of Ukraine—with high casualty rates and men fleeing the country to avoid being conscripted to fight.

Projections estimate that Russia's population will fall to about 132 million in the next two decades. The United Nations has predicted that in a worst-case scenario, by the start of the next century, Russia's population could almost halve to 83 million.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 minutes ago

People who think Russia will last. Have no idea how bad drug abuse is in that country.

[–] andybytes 0 points 14 minutes ago

It used to be if a nuclear bomb went off, all planes would be grounded. Now, they're going to use small yield nuclear weapons, but we know about the escalation ladder, so regardless if it's a tiny nuke, it's a nuke. Things just start or continue to escalate while plane companies are now getting nuke insurance because they're still going to fly planes as the nukes are shooting. I don't know if you got a... Entopic... pregnancy... like the pregnancy that gets stuck in your... phleopian tube... or something... if you could actually just go to a doctor and have that dealt with... you know, because... the pregnancy is not viable... and it's most likely gonna kill you. I mean if I was a gal I'd say hell no. And honestly if I was educated and I had money I'd be out of here. If you Google mass shootings the violence project, you'll see that a lot of the mass shooters, their motivations were economic issues. And that kind of explains a lot of this right wing violence being done by 20-something-year-olds. Young, dumb and full of cum, and also barefoot and pregnant. There's also, I guess, studies that say that younger women are dating older men because they're more mature, but I really think it's just because their wallets are more mature and who could really blame the women? These kids live in these horrible situations with nothing to live for working at Mickey D's as ungrateful boomers come in and scream at them because their fries are cold. We're just going back in time as the boomers just fucking gaslight us, as they lived in the most economically prosperous time, you know? Hedonistic, arrogant, middle manager, PhD, magical thinking ladder pulling pigglet whatever the fuck's. Always telling you're overreacting. But just wait, once we get there, we'll get to that point. Were it eventually will click, and you'll see a fear in their eye, and possibly a tear. Zippty doo dah zippy ehh my oh my what a wonderful day.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 hour ago

It’s global. Who the fuck wants to procreate in a world that’s about run out of water??

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Seriously. If you are a woman, do you want to bring a child into this world?? Our climate is a disaster, and anyone who “could” do anything about it is doing everything they can to accumulate wealth at the expense of the planet. Fascism and misinformation is rampant. Geezus, people are telling Mothers that inoculations are bad. Think about that… polio vaccines that rescued generations of children from “iron lungs”, leg braces, and death. Those vaccines were developed from science. SCIENCE I’m an old lady now. If I was young and of child bearing years—I would not have children.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

As a dude, I wouldn't want to bring a kid into this shithole of a world either. Most of my generation doesn't, and I can see why.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 minute ago

So, if you want to get snipped, does the doctor ask , “does your significant other agree with what you’re doing? Maybe they should be here during this decision”. Does that sound ridiculous?? Well, that’s what women deal with on a regular basis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Not sure where you’re from. If a woman wants to sterilize in the U.S. it’s a HUGE problem: If you’re married they want the husband to verify your decision. If you’re a young woman, they’ll deny because “you may change your mind”. BUT, a man can get snipped no questions asked.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 54 minutes ago

It's the false liability excuse. They think women will sue since it's not as reversible. Really it's management just justifying their jobs with bullshit policies.

Start locking up management who try to dictate patient care for practicing medicine without a license, see how fast most things level out.

That includes insurance groups, hospitals, and any other group who doesnt have an MD at the top level.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 44 minutes ago

I'm a snipped man... there were a lot of questions.

I don't know who told you "no questions asked", but that definitely doesn't match my lived experience.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

I’m a woman, with two kids, they’re not my biological children. I never wanted to have kids but other people are having kids and I figure why not love the kids already here? There’s plenty of kids to go around there’s no need for me to personally make a kid. If the kids are already here we should do as much as we can to make their lives good but if they’re not already here it should stay that way.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

yeah! that's what I am thinking too, have been for years now. but at the same time babies are booming in the area (not russia, but east eu) so obviously a lot of people think differently.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

If AI and robots will take over so many jobs, why is a declining birthrate a bad thing, in the long term?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago

Because current society is built on the assumption that around 4 workers will support 1 person with social benefits like retirement money, healtcare or unemployment benefits. Robots are already used in many factories but don't pay any of those. The robots will produce goods cheaper than humans, however corporations will own the robots, and still charge you the same price for the goods while receiving a larger margin.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

because all wars are a war of attrition. the country with the largest military or the deepest pockets always wins.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

yea putin, fuck the world up and then complain that people are not making kids. we will all die in our own filth when the infrastructure collapses and you can wipe your ass with all that money and power

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

China will help repopulate Russia. Forcibly.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

Interesting. I never really considered how we could use birth rates to extrapolate how many people may have died in war.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Kinda rough to have babies if most of your men are being turned into fertilizer.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 hours ago

Russian meat to sunflower oil pipeline

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Even russian women don't like russians.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

I think the implication is actually that there's a marked dropoff of eligible young Russian men. To preserve a generation, Russia might soon need to use more North Koreans on the Ukrainian front, but that comes with its own problems and risks.

It's weird that Putin's avoiding peace negotiations, as he more than anyone needs to find a way to scale back the war effort before his hold on power begins to waver. I get that he needs to save face while doing so, but he's not gonna get conditions more favorable than a Trump administration, so the clock is ticking.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 hours ago

No one wants their children to grow up in a corrupt Oligarchy.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

It amuses me that world leaders pretend to be surprised by declining birth rates. They know perfectly well that it’s because of their and/or their neighbors policies. The environment is being poisoned, and possibly destroyed. People are reluctant to bring a child into this world, and I think they’re right to be.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

And even ones that want kids take one look at the economy and their bank accounts, and decide to wait until both look better, because they want to be able to afford the kids a happy childhood. The worst thing for population growth is giving people the ability to choose when, if ever, to get kids, and an environment they don't want to have them in.

Two ways to fix that issue. Which one is used tells a lot.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago

"Nooooo! Keep pumping out babies to feed to the capitalism meat grinder!!"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

also, people don't got the space or the time to fuck

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Time, sure, but how much space do you need to fuck?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

more than the back seat of a car

[–] [email protected] 1 points 29 minutes ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

Get a bigger car. I've participated in a foursome in the back of a 1971 Chrystler Newport. Was a lot more flexible in those days, could maybe fit three nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I mean technically you could solve the space issue by making sex less taboo

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Speak for yourself

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago

But it's unthinkable for these leaders to change the policies that gave them the power and wealth they desire, so they're gonna run with it until it falls apart, no matter the cost for everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

Yep always silence the messenger, that'll fix it! 👍

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

If they classify it, it means it's a lot worse. Ukraine should send more steriliser over to russia.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (17 children)

…Wow.

So what’s the tankie angle to this? From that perspective, the war is objectively awful for Russia, even if all the stated war goals are true.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

The tankie angle is that it’s NATO’s fault. Would never have happened if mean old west hadn’t invaded Ukraine and genocided Russian-speakers who are ethnically and linguistically identical to Ukrainians but also totally different and superior but also must be defended by daddy Vladdy.

And also Ukraine is an inseparable part of Russia, especially Crimea. Khrushchev was only kidding when he gave Crimea to Ukraine, which isn’t a real country.

And the west totally broke its verbal promise that no one’s ever heard to never allow another country into NATO. But The Budapest Memorandum wasn’t worth the paper it was written on. For some reason.

You just don’t understand Russian history. Russia has a very long memory. When it comes to grievances. Theirs.

You’re just russophobic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think I've ever gotten one of them to even acknowledge the Budapest memorandum.

Though I do like to point out that they're the biggest western chauvinists ever if they genuinely think NATO somehow forced putin into emptying Russia's soviet stocks of vehicles and ammo in the most disastrous invasion in recent history.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Right? It makes Afganistan (the Soviet and US one) look like nothing. A calamity doesnt even begin to describe it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Ugh, you said that way too well.

Still (again, rolling with the reasoning), it's an existential problem, no matter who's fault it is or how much of a victim they are or how much fatalism they've accepted...

[–] [email protected] 53 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

The beloved and benevolent putin is merely protecting the country from the overpopulation seen in the west.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 hours ago

So what’s the tankie angle to this?

“Sure this news is bad, but what about this non sequitur?”

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

No one wants to live in putins world

Shit i mean meow

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

It's the Russian resistance's long game: in 10 years, there won't be enough young people left to send to die at the front, so the war will naturally peter out.

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