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…Wow.
So what’s the tankie angle to this? From that perspective, the war is objectively awful for Russia, even if all the stated war goals are true.
The tankie angle is that it’s NATO’s fault. Would never have happened if mean old west hadn’t invaded Ukraine and genocided Russian-speakers who are ethnically and linguistically identical to Ukrainians but also totally different and superior but also must be defended by daddy Vladdy.
And also Ukraine is an inseparable part of Russia, especially Crimea. Khrushchev was only kidding when he gave Crimea to Ukraine, which isn’t a real country.
And the west totally broke its verbal promise that no one’s ever heard to never allow another country into NATO. But The Budapest Memorandum wasn’t worth the paper it was written on. For some reason.
You just don’t understand Russian history. Russia has a very long memory. When it comes to grievances. Theirs.
You’re just russophobic.
I don't think I've ever gotten one of them to even acknowledge the Budapest memorandum.
Though I do like to point out that they're the biggest western chauvinists ever if they genuinely think NATO somehow forced putin into emptying Russia's soviet stocks of vehicles and ammo in the most disastrous invasion in recent history.
Right? It makes Afganistan (the Soviet and US one) look like nothing. A calamity doesnt even begin to describe it.
Ugh, you said that way too well.
Still (again, rolling with the reasoning), it's an existential problem, no matter who's fault it is or how much of a victim they are or how much fatalism they've accepted...
The beloved and benevolent putin is merely protecting the country from the overpopulation seen in the west.
There's no overpopulation in the west. Fertility rates are too low to maintain the current population.
Well, they didn't say the angle had to be factual.
You got that right!
That's why they want all of the immigrants out, they are taking over the white numbers. It's all fucking racism.
Yes. If they get people angry at immigrants "taking over their land" then the people ignore the real problem (the wealthy elite).
“Sure this news is bad, but what about this non sequitur?”
"see! Putin is pro environment! Less people is better!"
"Can't have racism if there are no remaining races!"
Ah, the Genghis Khan defence. Bold move!
war is always bad for the working class. nothing new here.
Even a victory is strategic defeat for Russia.
Honestly, few things are more Russian than being defeated.
The takeaway is that the already catastrophic demographic issues they were facing are becoming pointedly worse because of how they’re conducting the war, amongst other things
Are you really claiming that sending healthy young men into the meat grinder is detrimental to birth rates? No wonder why they need to kidnap Ukranian children.
I don't think they need to, they just recognized an opportunity to get better children without having to figure out how to make better ones themselves.
It's all a consequence of Western decadence, of course.
Tankie angle: Any nation that becomes wealthy has the issue of declining birth rates. Putin is just soooooooooo great of a leader, he made every single Russian a trillionaire over night. Everything is better under Putin. Why can’t you see the objective truth? Russia is better than any other nation. That’s why I live in Europe and never intend to return. I don’t see the problem here. Banned for being a reactionary pig. Give money to me.
Tf does tankie even mean at this point? As a communist, I'm not on the side of any state, I'm on the side of the people dying needlessly in both countries. Anyone who identifies themselves as a communist and has more than 2 brain cells should know that this isn't a football match where you root for your favorite team. Aside from the fact that russia isn't the USSR anymore anyway, it's just another capitalist country. Both governments suck but the Ukrainian one wasn't at fault for this war at all.
lmao
it looks like thier content, is more like conservatives than not, probably a con disguised as someone on the left?
"Tankie" means "person who, in a confrontation between citizens and tanks, roots for the tanks". It's more a reference to a person's underlying authoritarianism rather than communism per se. The main reason it's conflated with communism/marxism is because capitalism has, conceptually, staked a claim to the protectorship of individualism, which is assumed to be desirable. And because this claim is unchallenged, anything which stands against capitalism is assumed to therefore be inherently authoritarian. There is some merit to this claim and these assumptions, but to what extent, I couldn't say. I'm not that smart.
I mean, billions of people would disagree with you. Many would say Ukraine and their western backers are at fault.
But theoretically, I am struggling to picture how Russia’a war goals (again, accepting every reason for its continuation from Russia) could possibly be beneficial to Russia, and the um oppressed Ukrainian people, in light of this measurable effect on demographics. Whatever the reason for Russia staying in Ukraine is, even with the most extreme sympathetic view of Russia and their position, it is clearly not worth it, and they should just capitulate an pull out for their own benefit.
Sounds like they're already pulling out too much.
They would probably agree