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[–] [email protected] 70 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Just so ya'll know, EULAs are routinely thrown out of court.

They straight up don't matter, and anything that is extremely long and asks you to 'agree' to it is subject to the same scrutiny.

All of the times we clicked agree without reading actually helped us, because now courts can say "nobody reads that stuff before hitting accept."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

The EU has said that EULAs have zero basics in law and we can ignore them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

US will say, “give us money Nintendo. We got your back.”

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

They're basically there to reduce lawsuits, not prevent them.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Anyone still buying Nintendo products at this point isn't paying attention.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago

I see Nintendo emulation / mod chipping / console hacking I support it. Toxic company deserves a return in kind for its abuse of its fanbase.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

At this point, I guess they are either ignorant, unethical, or they are just lying to themselves because they can't resist the temptation to play their games.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Look I don't fault developers for kissing the ring. I know and have spoken with multiple devs at different Nintendo affiliated companies and they don't enjoy it either but it lets them make the games they love for the people that they want to entertain.

I can't say I support hating a full group of people because that's not great either. "... except for the Amish but it'll never get back to them" - John Pinette

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In my case, I don't hate them. I respect those devs, people have to put food on their tables somehow, and this way isn't one of the worst... I just believe that by doing so, we are helping to perpetuate vicious corporativism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Nintendo isn't just the nestle of companies to users... they are the same or worse to their own.

I've seen people lose teams over errant comments about a novel idea for the IP they would love to see happen, or maybe even be developing as a passion project, purged for the notion that they were anything more than drones.

It's a disgusting work culture taking advantage of bright eyed developers that grew up with fond memories of the brand. I genuinely love some of the IP and worlds made by the developers - but I will never, ever, spend a fucking penny on that company until it is changed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I‘ll still buy their controller because you can‘t sue Chinese companies either so what‘s the difference? However I‘ll use it for PC gaming. No way I‘m going back to their ecosystem. Those days are gone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Anyone still buying anything they can get for free at this point isn't paying attention.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Just how an NDA won't protect a(n) person/entity from legal repercussions when committing crimes from being "leaked" doesn't mean it'll hold in court, just how these highly illegal and predatory EULAs shouldn't either. There's a reason why this bullshit only happens in America, this EULA elsewhere wouldn't work unless it's modified to not contain this blatant shit of a thing. It's a shame we're the few dumb enough to allow our own downfall while parading our aggressors. 🫠🫠🫠

[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I am very happy to be living in Austria. We have this law right here https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/NormDokument.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Gesetzesnummer=10002462&Artikel=&Paragraf=6&Anlage=&Uebergangsrecht= (And yes, our laws are available for free and up-to-date for everyone)

Section 6(1)(14) of the Austrian Consumer Protection Act states that any contractual provision requiring a consumer to waive their right to assert claims is invalid.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Wow, is this not the case everywhere? People can't know the laws of their own country without paying? 😵‍💫

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What sort of half assed reporting came up with this story? This is not a new policy. If I remember right, Nintendo added a forced arbitration clause to their EULA about 10 years ago (I would try to find an exact date, but Google is flooded with articles parroting this story).

It came up with regards to Joy-Con drift in 2017: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2020cv01694/292704/21/

Should companies be allowed to force arbitration as a shield against all law suits? Hell fucking no, but their lawyers say they can, so any company with a EULA written by a half decent lawyer includes the wording.

At this point, the only reason anyone would complain that a company includes the clause is rage bait.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I was so happy to go through the Steam EULA and find that it explicitly states that all disputes will be heard in the court local to the customers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah, if I recall the change was because so many people took them to arbitration at the same time that the cost wasn't worth it, so they changed the policy to 'local court' to avoid the situation repeating while also sidestepping any large class action attempts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's a good chance that clause won't hold up in court, but proving that would require a lot of time and money.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Exactly why they put it. You would first need to win a trial to get the clause voided and then win another trial to get actual damages or you can go to arbitration and get a modest settlement. Most people will take the latter.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Don't worry Nintendo, even as someone who grew up on SMB, you've thoroughly convinced me to never do business with you ever again. Not even nostalgia...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Check out Jak & Daxter.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This shit never holds up in court - you can’t just sign rights away by clicking “accept” on a EULA. This is a scare tactic designed to stop people before they ever try because “well it says i can’t do that in the eula.”

If Nintendo give you a reason to sue them, sue the ever loving shit out of those greedy corporate fucks.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fair.

I may have been thinking about articles I’ve read about the EU and how they don’t tolerate this particular brand of corpo overreach, my apologies and thank you for the correction.

God I wish I lived in a sane country.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Remember the "Disney can legally kill your wife" memes?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Jokes on them, no one reads that shit!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago

Forced arbitration is unconstitutional. Roberts should be ashamed of himself.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Wow Nintendo is really quadrupling down on being absolutely shitty! Love that I have a Steam Deck instead of a Switch because I'm never buying from these assholes again. I loved a ton of their franchises and have spent thousands of dollars on Nintendo consoles and games, but I'm fed up with their greed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Don't forget, you can and should still pirate their games.

Torzu is the logical successor to Yuzu. There will undoubtedly be a Switch 2 emulator.

Do not give these corporations your money. They will always use it against us.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

"Except for Claims (i) in which a party is attempting to protect its intellectual property rights (such as its patent, copyright, trademark, trade secret, anti-circumvention, or moral rights, but not including its privacy or publicity rights) ..."

So in other words, the types of matters Nintendo thinks it might have a dispute against users, court and class actions are okay, but for everything that they think users might file against Nintendo, they think arbitration is best.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The real question is how do we slowly bankrupt nintendo ?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

By doing nothing. They are awful at reading the room, they'll kill themselves.

Best bet is to just ignore them until they go away.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

I was hoping to accelerate that by making alternatives to their games as well

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Better yet: how do we fastly bankrupt nintendo?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Don't buy the switch 2 and cancel your Nintendo online subscription.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Welp, fuck playing online anymore, just buying a switch 2 to hack it..

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Don't give these assholes any more money.