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So I met this girl by chance and we really hit it off, once I learned of her age I decided to just be friends as I think that 19 to 25 is an age were we mature a lot and I remember myself as a 19yo and I was not mature enough to be a good partner and to be good to myself.

I talked to a female friend of mine and she said that I'm over thinking it and that I should ask her out and be open minded, and so I did and we are going on a date soon.

The thing is, she seems really mature but I can't put aside the age gap.

Am I over thinking it? Should I really just take it slow and just be vigilant about the situation and notice if this isn't healthy for me or her?

Or should I let her down easy and continue as friends?

Update: We went on a date and it was great, I read all of the comments and there were some really good advices that I took to heart. I will take things slow and try to be as aware of the situation as possible. I hope it will go well :)

Thank you everyone!

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[–] [email protected] 141 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The age gap might make a relationship difficult, but it's not wrong. Just make sure you have clear open communication and understand each other's expectations. You're both adults.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As for what other people may think, the "half your age + 7" rule is pretty consistent

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Half-age-plus-seven-relationship-rule.svg

But yea you guys will know the situation best. Communicate well :)

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only problem with the chart is that it doesn't account for stuff like independence. If a 19 year old has a stable job and is living on their own I would be a lot more forgiving than if the 19 year old was still in college and living with their parent.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Also a 19 year old who never dated vs. a 19 year old who dated a few different people already.

Relationship experience is important to help us be safe in our relationships…

[–] [email protected] 118 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Check to see if there is a power differential here.

Are you an established adult with a Real Job and a nice apartment while she is struggling to figure out how to get out from under the thumb of her controlling family? Or is she happily making her own way in the world as a small farmer or boat salesperson or something while you have been futzing around painting skateboards and playing in a minor punk band?

Older people dating younger people can be wrong because it is easy for the older person to have too much power in the relationship. If you have something she really wants or needs that you can provide or withdraw at will or as a condition of the relationship, you should not date.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wtfh why do you pretend like people can't be nice if there is a power differential? A couple with a moderate power differential like you describe is only a problem if the powerful one decides to be a dick about it; it's literally fine as long as they are a nice person and can commit to not taking advantage.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

Yeah, probably more of a 'proceed with caution' rather than a flat no.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From a viewpoint of a 40+ you are practically the same age.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I agree it's hard to deny they are really not that far apart in terms of age, 19 year olds and 25 year olds are worlds apart. Disclaimer: American, can't speak for other cultures

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm turning 31 this year, and my girlfriend is 25.

We've been together six years now. I didn't realize she was still 18 until the end of our first date, and she caught that I was visibly startled by it.

I owned up that I didnt realize and assumed from our interactions that she was at least 20-22 and she laughed and apologized, saying she thought I knew her age.

After going home and thinking about how well we hit it off, and how she found my concern amusing, I decided I was being silly and that if the age gap was a problem it would make itself evident.

Best decision ever. Nothing wrong with paying attention to those things, just keep open communication with each other 👍

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'll also note that I had skipped college and had been working, and was about to go back to school. She was about to start her second year in college.

There are multiple ways people can find themselves on the same path and there was some serendipity for sure.

To the point of many other people here, yes, over the next five years she is going to evolve more than you as a person. So just understand going that growing apart is more likely than if you were both in your 30's.

Nothing wrong with that, just a reality to acknowledge.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The thing is, she seems really mature

Every time I read this I cringe. Because most of the time this comes from someone that cant really judge that. You dont seem to know each other for a long time or have a deep connection.

Besides that I wish both of you the best and maybe it turns out as some of the positive stories in the other comments. Or not. Both are ok.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suspect people often mistake 'chilled out' or 'doesn't enjoy partying much' as mature.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

I agree with your friend, I think that you're overthinking. As long as both are adults and willing, I don't see anything wrong.

Lack of maturity can be a problem in the long run but it's a problem that goes away over time, plus it is not some unsurmountable barrier.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (12 children)

USAian society has probably told you there is some kind of formula to calculate whether it's alright. Fuck that. Treat her like a human, not some input to a formula. Be decent, communicate, and if she's fine with it and likes you, that's all that matters. Society shouldn't come between you and another human.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I dated a 5 year younger woman in my twenties for 5 years and while the age gap itself wasn't an issue to us or anyone else, what turned out to be an issue, was that she changed quite dramatically during those 5 years and we ended up growing apart. That's a feature of a young age though, not the age difference.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

This is the real issue. Date her and have a great time, but don't consider moving in together or getting married for years. I got married when we were both 18 and after a few years, she turned into a different person and ended up really hurting me. 0/10 would not do again.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I think this is the biggest risk. 19 year olds often change a lot before they’re ready to settle down. If OP is looking for a long term relationship it’s more risky.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

According to the universal dating age formula, (25/2) + 7 = 19.5, so I think you're good. Anything less would be creepy.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The moral panic about age gaps for any relationship where both people are over eighteen is so ridiculous.

You're fine. Just date her in you want to.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Your age, divided by 2, then add 7 = minimum age that most of society will deem okay.

For example:

25 ÷ 2 = 12.5 + 7 = 19.5

So the acceptable age for you to date that avoids the 'ick' is around 19 years old. Honestly it's not a big deal in the long run.

For me as long as your above 18 and it's consentual (ie. not forced, pressured, or groomed, etc), it's fine.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Not sure that a 25 year old is in a great position to judge the relative maturity of a 19 year old, but in general terms the only issue here is if you find it an issue. If you can't be comfortable in the relationship then it doesn't really work for you and you shouldn't force it.

That said, there's no harm in exploring the prospect over the course of a few dates... just don't commit yourself until you feel comfortable.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My wife is 7 years older than me. We met in college. I think I was 22. We've been married for 25 years.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why do people consider bigger age gaps a problem? Because there's often a difference in maturity and experience that makes it harder to communicate, have the same goals and often puts the younger party at risk of being taken advantage of.

So if you think that the thing the age gap is a stand in for, a gap in maturity, doesn't apply, there's also no reason to get hung up on the number and mistake the map for the territory.

I think it's good that you're questioning yourself though and you should probably keep being a bit cautious about the situation and reevaluating yourself until you can be certain you two are on the same level.

[–] Lmaydev 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There can be a power imbalance due to the younger one being less experienced and often having access to less resources.

You learn a lot dating in your late teens / 20 that allows you to avoid bad situations later in life.

But you can't say it's wrong with X years gap. Just that the potential for abuse is greater.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’m 8 years older than my wife. We’ve been together over 11 years. When we first got together, she was 21 and I was 29. Now I’m 40 and she’s 32.

As long as you’re both consenting adults, there’s no power disparity, you have commonalities, and you’re both at the same stage in life, age is meaningless.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

When I was 25, I met a young woman who was also 19. I couldn't believe she was so young, because she seemed so mature. But it wasn't an issue for me either.

That was 12 years ago. We have been married for 5 years.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

I mean, does the girl know what she wants and can she fend for herself in a romantic relationship? If so, then no, what are you worried about? The legal age is 18 in this country and if my nieces and their friends are any indication, women are maturing much faster than they used to and they matured faster than boys since almost always.

A more stringent test though is, are you taking advantage of her immaturity? As some others said, only you can answer those questions. But don't base it on how mature YOU were at 19, that's apples to oranges my friend.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

it's fine, that gap isn't bad at that age. 22 and 16 would be a different story...

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People can be pretty immature at 40 also.

And not every relationship has to be the last one. You learn from every relationship.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

No. Imo, as long as both parties are consenting adults then I don't see the issue. Tbh, I thought society would be more progressive in regards to this by now.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It may be a better question to ask if you're immature enough to date her. A relationship doesn't rise to the level of the more mature person, it sinks to the level of the less. Do you consider yourself mature? If yes, you should move along. Are you a little behind your peers? This might be great for both of you! The amount of life experience and growing up is so great during 19 to 25 is so much per year that for this relationship to really serve you you probably need to be meeting in the middle. The idea that she should have to be making the sacrifices of a relationship you have in your late 20s isn't really fair to her.

Unless she's had some very difficult life experiences, she's probably not ready to forgo the types of relationships you have at 19, 20, 21 and she may really regret giving them up later. Maybe you didn't have those relationships which is why you're pursuing them now? If so, it may be a good fit!

If your life experiences up until now are similar (dating experience, financial experience, independence, working experience) then this relationship is more likely to avoid a power imbalance, but because she's so young, the most likely way for these to be true is if you're behind. It's unlikely she's going to have years of living independently while working to support herself under her belt, or several long term relationships.

A date or three to learn all this about her isn't going to hurt! Have fun! But if you learn she's inexperienced compared to you in most things, it doesn't matter how mature she is, it's unfair to her to put her in a power dynamic where she has to advocate for her needs with less life experience than you in so many categories.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I dated a 19-year-old at 25. We're almost at our 18 year anniversary. The further out you go, the less it matters, and 19 and 25 isn't bad.

She often states if we met earlier, we would have never dated.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I'm dating someone with about a 6-7 year gap. It's fine, age fades as you both get older, and honestly, just find someone who makes an excellent partner. Life is too short to worry about a small age gap.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Sometimes I remember my parents have a 18 years age gap, and I can't quite wrap my head around this.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I met my husband and we were the same ages. It was fine and we're still together years later. Just ask her out.

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