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Not because DDG got better, but just because google got worse.

google is still better for site-specific searches, and google scholar still has minimal AI slop

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 59 minutes ago

I found Qwant to be a bit better, but yeah. Google got so much worse over last few years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 52 minutes ago

I really agree Google just took themself out of the market. I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped their "search" product completely, the way they've dropped a lot of other good products along the way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

yeah honestly I've been using ddg for a very long time and while a few years ago I had to frequently !g because search sucked now google got so enshittified many times ddg feels better

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Wow, it has been some time since I used duck duck go. On my phone I have bing for searches as it is convenient with chatGPT integration (which tbh I only use when coding, for which I have copilot now baked into VScode). On my laptop and work station I use Arc. Its sexy af and really makes a man wonder about himself. I will have to revisit DDG. I do remember enjoying it though only for enhanced privacy. Feature wise it just seemed exactly what chrome was offering

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Eyeing the replies, does not one other person here get results constantly flooded with content farms? They've gotten significantly worse

But then, I don't use Google so maybe this is still better than Google Search?

It started maybe three years ago, around the same time as LLMs became usable for this, but I'm pretty sure >50% are human-written still. Probably the LLM generates the structure (saves any time they'd have to spend coming up with plausible-sounding texts) and someone from a low-income country is contracted to make it look more legit

Of course, queries for topics that have a Wikipedia page get Wikipedia first, recipes get tons of big-name recipe sites, products get stores. But when there's no obvious market around a topic, 3~4 out of 5 results are content farms pretending to have useful information to show unwary visitors ads

(As an alternative, I still have to try Kagi properly. It seemed on par with DDG when I did a few searches last year, but then their payment processor refused me trying to load my account, support was unhelpful, and I've gotten sidetracked since)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

The other annoying thing is the air summaries. I've disable AI features but that's still on. I hate it so much

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

On ddg? Only one or two, which I can filter out.

Google always will return a content farm though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

DDG sold out, very focused "bubble" results that they initally railed against.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I use StartPage because it does image search, and none of the AI BS.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago

I really tried, I set duckduckgo as the default for my second browser (I use it a lot) to slowly get used to it, but every time results are so bad I get mad and switch to Google especially for images

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I can turn off the horseshit firehose that we call AI, making it far better than google

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Ironically I find ChatGPT pretty good for certain types of searching.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

For me, its only finding stuff thats really hard to google, like concepts or meme templates.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

ChatGPT is great for when what you're looking for is the proper search term.
If I don't know what term to google, I can describe what I'm looking for and then nudge the bot in the right direction till it spits out the term.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 29 minutes ago

Exactly! If I don't exactly know what I'm trying to find, its useful.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Have been using it for 8 years now. I never felt the need to switch back honestly. Only Google thing I really love is Maps and that's it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Gnome Maps is honestly really good!
Not everything has to be inside your browser.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Tried OpenStreetMap? Quality varies by country though

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

I switched to it a couple of years ago, with the expectation that I had to resort to google in more complex search instances. But very soon I found out that ddg did the job, and my "alternative" google searches did not turn up anything better, quite the contrary in fact, and I haven't been back since.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Duckduckgo mostly uses Bing for its search results. It also uses yahoo, yandex, and it's own crawler, but for the most part you're getting Bing.

So what you really want to know is if Bing is just as good as Google. If you think it is, you should definitely use ddg because they're the least intrusive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

It's much better than Bing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

I use it for almost everything. I only resort to Google if I can't find what I'm looking for, which is rare and typically it's something obscure. Google has also steadily made their service worse over the years. I don't feel like I am missing much.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Google kind of went downhill

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Kind of? It went Paul Rudd in Mac and Me.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

...........Oh, sorry.

Hell no. If anything, it's gotten worse.

In their defense, however, it's probably largely not their fault. In my admittedly one-person-sample-size experience, 90% of the searchable Web is either Reddit threads or articles, and with Reddit going officially with Google (meaning DDG doesn't catch as many Reddit threads as they used to), that leaves most of the searchable Web being articles. Because SEO has to ruin everything.

So, it's not really that DDG is shitty (mostly), but that all searches are shitty. Though, with the whole Google-and-Reddit thing, I find Google's results are noticeably less shitty (though still shitty).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

The killer for me has to be that it doesn't support searching for phrases within websites I need. Latest example: github. I can be on the project page, copy a phrase from the code and search ddg with it in double quotemarks, and get 0 results. Copy - google.com - paste - enter - loads of results.

Also the search function broke for about a day, a few days ago

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

That's a bit surprising, given DDG uses Bing, Bing is Microsoft and Microsoft owns Github.

Did you try the same search with Bing, or have an example to share?

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 hours ago

I use Kagi, I really like how it's AI answer gives sources for statements.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

I’ve been using DDG exclusively for something like 8 years. It works great for regular text search and I use bing for image searches. I really don’t understand the reluctance of people to switch to it. To me, Google has been borderline unusable garbage for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

DDG is slow. Like noticeably slower than other search engines. I have been using DDG exclusively for 2 months at this point and it is wild how much faster brave search is not even mentioning google search.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

I’ve actually never tried brave search. Which is kinda funny because I started using DDG when brave came out and it was the default search engine.

What do you mean by slow though? Like just the webpage loading or the time it takes you to get good results? I’ve never noticed any load time, but I’ve always had a few tweaked content blockers running and that may affect my perspective.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

Same here, although I don’t know how long I’ve been on DDG exactly. I never not find what I’m looking for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

I used it for a few years, realized that I had to use bangs every other search, and reluctantly switched back to Google. But now Google is way worse than it was, so I think I might as well try switching back again, see how it feels now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Cherry on the shit sundae was a couple months ago when Google started to require JavaScript be enabled for search.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I find it's actually better at this point because it just gives results without AI summaries and ads, also I find it's just straight up better at actually finding what you're looking for

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

i find ddg sufficient for nearly everything. occasionally i will go to startpage or ecosia or mojeek for a different 'perspective', but that is not very often at all. i also use wolframalpha almost daily for some sort of calculation or conversion.

i haven't used google or bing except by accident when using someone else's browser or device (that is, when i forget to go to duck.com first).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Is ddg on mobile just a facade and still uses google?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 19 hours ago

I just realized the other day that I haven't typed !g in months.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

So far its still less bloated

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Google is mostly adverts. Wouldn’t take much to be better than that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

76% of their Q2 2024 revenue came from adverts. I'd rather pay with capitalist-consumerist shit on my screen than pay with money, but as everyone knows it's far too invasive rn. Ergo, I use uBlock, sponsorblock and I don't care about cookies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I finally left Google a month or so ago and its amazing how little I miss it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah. I search for things all the time. Thousands of searches each month. I thought I’d miss it a lot, but I’ve not used Google for two years or so and it’s not really a problem.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Not really. If you focus purely on just searching, yeah DDG is decent. But, I find its maps inferior and trying to find answers to some questions can get tedious. DDG I guess is just for people who want guilt-free searching.

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