As a colored dude, it's hard to explain. I've even had white folks say, "Nah man it's not like that."
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The impact of centuries of slavery, segregation, and unequal treatment doesn't disappear quickly. Even if the root causes were completely resolved (and they are not), the consequences reverberate for a long time. We cannot forget that much of our life is a result of where we start, and it was the same for our parents, and their parents.
They know.
Surprisingly, they don't. Well, the ones who enact / reject these policies do, but the layman doesn't. It's incredibly frustrating to have friends and co-workers who reject the explanation for why DEI matters and is important
Sorry for my ignorance, but what does DEI stand for?
No need to apologize. Diversity, equity and inclusion. It's the principle that having more representation is a good thing. The Trump administration is against it because they claim it takes opportunities away from straight white men.
i mean it does and that's a good thing, we've seen what happens when we leave it up to the employer.
nepotism hires as far as the eye can see.
People denied COVID was real whilst gargling their own lungs. What the fuck would it take to convince you these assholes aren't secretly well-informed?
Meant the people doing it
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I feel like "DEI" is a bandaid to a bigger issue, that is: unequal opportunities due to schools that aren't properly funded (amongst many other things in a person's childhood).
If those issue are fixed, these "DEI" stuff wouldn't even need to exist.
Also:
I hate how people complain that Harris is somehow "DEI"
Like, isn't politicians supposed to represent the people? If they keep picking White Men, how are minorities supposed to feel like a part of the country? There were 45 presidents of which 44 were White Men, and this ticket of a Black Woman (Harris) + a White Man (Walz) somehow triggers people. 🙄 (Like who cares, vote for policy, not people)
Even if Harris was elected, Black Presidents wouldn't even represent 5% of all people who have been presidents. (2/46 = 4.34% vs the black population at 13%) Why they (conservatives) be complaining so much lol.
The country is a racist shithole, and more people than you might think are essentially closeted bigots, unless they think you're some ally, oh boy will they open up and it gets uncomfortable.
If they keep picking White Men, how are minorities supposed to feel like a part of the country?
That's not a bug, it's a feature.
I fully agree and in typical American fashion, affirmative action and DEI were just bandaids to quickly solve some of the effects of institutional discrimination, instead of solving it at the root.
Even I, as a very progressive person, don't like some DEI hires. But the actual problematic DEI hires are not talented people like Kamala Harris. They are connected incompetent people.
I think Clarence Thomas would be a good example. By most accounts he is the most corrupt and incompetent justice, who just happened to run in the right conservative circles.
In the business world, I also see quite a lot of well-connected incompetent people. It used to be white gulf buddies, now it tends to be the white sister-of, or the latina wife-of, the gulf buddy.
Maybe the Trump kids are the best example of DEI hires. Ivanka Trump, anyone?
But the actual problematic DEI hires are not talented people like Kamala Harris. They are connected incompetent people.
I argue that Harris isn't really that much of a "DEI Hire".
I mean, sure, you might argue she only got picked because of race and gender. But the purpose of politicians in a democratic system is to make people feel represented, not necessarily the "smartest" or "most experienced". Race and Gender absolutely matters. Like, if we keep having white men in the white house, that is a big "f you" to women and minorities. So picking Harris is absolutely essential to acknowledge the existence of Black people and Women. (And Harris isn't even some random person, she was qualified enough to be Attorney General of CA, and a Senator, merit definitely contributed to her getting picked)
Besides, the President (and Vice President) will have a lot of advisors to help them with the job, you don't need someone that's an Einstein to be President, just someone with overall good policy and some compassion, and can pick good cabinet members to run the country.
The job of politicians shouldn't be considered to be to make people feel represented. It should be to actually represent them.
If it was to make people feel represented, then I'm sorry to inform you that Donald Trump is the most successful President in my memory, perhaps the most successful ever, because that is his appeal - he makes the MAGAts feel represented, and he does so very very strongly.
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She still believes that conservatives argue in good faith?
Diversity
Equity
Inclusion
It's not "woke", no matter how hard they try to convince you of it! Diversity: Okay, yeah. If you're some close-minded person who's stayed in the same small town your whole life you might fear people who are different and not understand them. Literally part of what these initiatives are trying to improve, but whatever. However, the other two are basically just about fairness and making sure everyone has the chance to thrive! Nothing to fear there! Who could possibly be against that!?
Progress threatens the profoundly mediocre.
To answer the last sentence: literally Nazis
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As a white guy, I'd like to think it's not like that. I'd like to think that we left racism and all this bullshit in the past and any job goes to the best qualified applicant regardless of race, gender, or sexual preferences.
While I would like that to be true, I know that isn't the world we live in.
As a white guy, it is like that. In the same way it is in female run office spaces. But white guy culture is definitely the most toxic. They feel unashamedly deserving when they find good old boys clubs.
Having worked in a sexist office, it sucks, having worked for good old boys, it sucks. Not being able to call people out on their shit fucking sucks.
female run office spaces
The worst places I have worked at had female leadership and majority women employees. The gossip and bullying was off the scale. Older ladies harassing young men was a daily occurrence and laughed at.
Reminds me of this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html
It's the DailyMail, so take it with a wheelbarrow of salt, but it's what came to mind.
The old hags in the fucking HR department at one place I worked were the most racist sexist pieces of shit I have ever had the displeasure of being within earshot of.
Any group is capable of making a workplace toxic.
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People hire their friends and family anyway.
People lie about it in my experience. I work in government and in education. I've received our "DEI" training. I'm in the very heart of it, and all I've seen is that it's the exact thing that the people who complain about it say (sometimes) that they want instead. They (probably say but don't necessarily mean) that we should hire based on merit and not race. Well guess what? My dei training is watching a video where: some boss says "I don't want to hire Ahmed ", his subordinate says "but he's the best candidate" and his boss says "yeah but he's Indian" freeze frame, question on what you should do, play video saying to hire him if he's the most qualified guy.
Maybe your experience is different, but I'm in an organization that is what gets pointed to the hardest as "the problem" by these people, and I have seen what they describe. Maybe it's different for HR, but are you in our HR department, or have you just "heard about it"
But the ascent is something I've literally heard mentioned by white owners. When they hired their first non-white employee they made a point of mentioning how easy he was to understand.
I know that sociology is an elective in a lot of US colleges, and I thoughr more people would haveI taken it. It pretty straightforwardly explained that every aspect we hold inevitably drives our social interactions and life experience whether we like to or not. From what I've gathered from my friend's experiences and the attitutes I've seen onlone, the sentiment of "why does it matter to be X" is very much prevelant, and being on the receiving end of unknowing racism really does hurt.
But at the same time, understanding that point also means understanding that people who do not have your traits may not be able to fathom these sorts of experiences (though experience in general is hard to transfer) which results in a kind of dismissal. I'm not saying to forgive, but I understand, and it'll be all I think about as I help educate (and/or bulldoze disrespectful) people.
Many people beed tk realize the reality that a lot of the interactions we are seeing on mainstream social media platforms especially x/ twitter whatever the fuck its called now, is heavily manipulated by imperial actors such as the company team Jorge which is a mossad run bot farm out of israel that for a price (or even for free depending on the cause, floods platforms with fake engagement meant to make conservatism Look more popular than it truly is to manufacture consent and confuse/ wear down people attempting to dialogue and potentially even convince uninformed people consuming this state propaganda to support fascism/ conservatism.
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