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Hi! In thinking about how to help the fediverse grow, I wonder if there are more mainstream Lemmy instances?

I've pointed a couple folks to Lemmy.world and it's uhhh, pretty hard Left for them (as one girl, who volunteered for the Democrats said "I just got yelled at because I can't be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.") We're much farther Left than reddit which itself was definitely Left of centre...

I don't know if decentralized open source social media actually attracts many mainstreamers but assuming we want to grow the fediverse, I'd like to have somewhere I can point people to without feeling very nervous for them.

Thanks!

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Although I'd agree that lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, and hexbear are far-left, with only one specifically right-wing instance that I can think of, I don't think that most of the remaining Lemmy users on lemmy.world, lemmy.dbzer0.com, lemm.ee, beehaw.org, or any of the other big Lemmy instances are particularly extreme in their views.

On average, Lemmy users do seem to be more left-wing than right-wing, probably due to right-wing Redditors being less likely to mind Reddit's monetization of its userbase, and more likely to mind Lemmy's far-left instances.

While I don't think Lemmy should encourage far-right users to join, given that racism and bigotry degrade any platform that allows such speech, I do think that those on the right who are not extreme and are capable of having thoughts independent of the MAGA cult should be welcomed on any instance, given that echo chambers only serve to propagate existing views, rather than foster discussion.

The key part in joining any instance are the instances that either block it or are blocked by it, so perhaps one that blocks lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, and hexbear by default, while minimizing the number of instances that in turn block it, would be optimal to have access to as many communities as possible.

Here's a list of Lemmy instances by number of instances blocked and blocking, for reference. Seems to not be quite up-to-date, and can't find the instance I'm on on the list, but it should still be somewhat helpful for comparing. Personally, I prefer being on an instance with as few blocks as possible (implementing those blocks instead on a user level as a means of curating my all feed), since the Lemmy community is already small enough as it is, but new users might not want to have to configure those blocks themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 17 hours ago (9 children)

Interesting take.

I think what you‘re talking about is called „anecdotal evidence“. Destroying capitalism is definitely not the „mainstream“ on lemmy, far from it. Although We dont have „normie-lizing“ moderation and bot armies that bury every post thats out of the norm.

Of course we attract a lot of freedom loving people. Freedom, turns out is an extremist left view. Asking to be paid for work done, asking to be able to work from home, etc.

I would ask your friend to show you more than one incident and also ask them to be open to making a new experience.

And although everyone will hate me for it: if you want fediverse lite (or bastardized corpo fediverse) you can always test bluesky and threads. They are more mainstream since they have larger user counts.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

My instance doesn't really take a political stance, you're welcome unless you're an extremist (left or right, doesn't really matter to me).

Edit: But I think you're not gonna get better content anywhere that's federated, after all, your instance doesn't matter that much if you're seeing the same content everywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Roughly speaking, Lemm.ee is more libertarian some libright. Slrpnk is libleft but is home to pleasant politics community. Dbzer0 is anarchy leftist. World is closest to US centrist. Lemmy.ca is kind of Reddit's onguardforthee vibe, Left/NDP wing.

Thing is that influences from other more ideological instances will make it onto All threads. "Lib-shaming" is something some folks at lemmy.ml, hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml like to do frequently, which is where those experiences might have come from.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 17 hours ago (29 children)

Lib shaming is for good reason as the US and most of the western world falls to fascism thanks to libs creating the material conditions for it.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

That's funny because the majority of Lemmy.World are people who left Reddit during the 3rd party app-ocolypse. Though I suppose many of them also saw Reddit becoming more and more pro-Nazi as time went on. The loss of the apps was just the kick in the pants needed to actually leave.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Lemmy.world is too left?. It always looked normal to me. Although, I do want the total annihilation of capitalism, so...

Normally big instances are the most generalistic and less "politically biased", but sometimes a more small and focused instance could be better for the things you want.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago

Lemmy world is probably the most centerist instance that hasn’t been defederated. Lemm.ee are sh.it.just.works are probably good replacements if she thinks it is just to far left wing but it’s probably that she is seeing .ml or one of the other various socialist instances.

She will need to utilize her block list to block tankie users and communities if she doesn’t want to see them. A lot of entrenched users are here because they realized that mainstream platforms were enshittified a lot earlier because they of their anti capitalist views

[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago

Lemmy.world is the most mainstream instance. You may find small instances that have more political center types, but for all the "issue" is that the fediverse is federated. So lemmy.ml users can comment on your post on lemmy.world as well.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure that "got yelled at" is a great metric. On L.W., it probably depends on the community a bit but it's not likely they're getting yelled at by a mod, or having their post/comment deleted, right? No one's going to ban their account there.

In terms of users -- except for the bad places -- everywhere is "here." You can block people that are being exceptionally dickish too.

And, real talk, you can say "it's a beautiful day today" and there'll be two dildos that downvote you and maybe someone that's like "not everywhere!!!" Don't let it get ya down.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Not really, it's taken me quite a while to curtail the content I see to just stuff I actually want to see. Keyword filters are helpful tho not perfect since a lot of people will self censor and thus bypass the keyword filters.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Check the various compatible kbin and mbin servers as well. I'm posting from fedia.io, an mbin server

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[–] JackbyDev 11 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

You'd have to show who specifically was yelling. You see everyone from all instances they're federated with. They might not have even been from Lemmy.world.

Edit: Case in point, I'm from programming.dev

[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago

i think the content and the 'home base instance' can be completely separate. its all about what they would choose to subscribe to.

theoretically you could be on lemmy.world and not subscribe to or access any of its local content. conversely, an 'onramp' instance might not have much of any local content but have access to hundreds of remote instances. (mine for example)

it can be kind of confusing for new users.

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