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Is there an extensive guide on how to protect kids on the internet? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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With the years I learned some rules of behavior on internet, but I wonder if there is some kind of extensive guide for parents who are not experienced with technology.

For example, I don't think content blockers are a good idea for teenagers. It works for kids, but teenagers will find workarounds because parents were lazy about teaching them the dangers and instead used a spyware app.

Here is a bad written list of some obvious rules:

  • Be anonymous
  • Use private social media accounts
  • Do not tell any personal information
  • Use ad blockers
  • Learn to recognize ads
  • Learn to recognize AI generated text and images
  • Learn to recognize scam
  • Understand consent
  • Learn to prevent blackmail
  • Learn to prevent grooming
  • Learn how fake pornography is and the unrespectful content

But I wish there was some kind of step by step guide

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)
  • Learn to recognize pishing mail and sms
  • Do not share nude pics of yourself (even not to your boy/girlfriend)
  • Do not upload pics of your face to funny AI apps
  • Learn to recognize and ignore social media trolls
  • Learn netiquette writing style in social media
  • Do not write bad things about colleagues and boss in emails at work
  • Recognize dark shopping patterns such as time counter, discounts, voucher height
  • Recognize fake shops
  • Recognize no returns (Chinese) shops
  • Recognize gambling patterns in games such as loot boxes, rewards and more for real money
  • Understand the money loss through subscription schemes
  • Do not buy now and pay later

Sorry for this long list. It’s just a terrible place for kids

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)
  • Do not upload pictures of your face ANYWHERE, period - including private chats
  • Do not use any name even resembling your real one, or rederencing your known interests
  • If something asks for a phone number, avoid using it
  • If it is mandatory (like for government services) or very hard not to use (like Whatsapp or Telegram), ask the parent first, maybe there is an aliasing solution
  • If the data sharing is mandatory, try digging deeper for alternative options because it may turn out to be not so mandatory
  • Do not post anything political or even remotely questionable in the current climate (should be talked about with the parent), and must understand you can be arrested for pretty much anything and be made an example of
  • Each time an application is installed, think about what data it is able to access, pay attention to permissions
  • Prefer FOSS programs for everything possible
  • Learn to treat a Windows PC or a non-degoogled phone as a fundentally unprivate device and learn to not trust them with personal things (if I were a parent, I'd install a privacy-preserving OS on a device prior to giving it to a kid anyway)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do not post anything political

i agree with the underlying point, but everything is political. The real point is not to post anything outside the overton window. This country talks alot about "free speech" and whatnot. But if you start speaking out against genocide, imperialism, capitalism, etc., you might find your life ruined. Thus this "anonymous" account.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean anything even remotely questionable from the government's perspective. A meme is not worth ruining your life over.

Especially if we're talking about children, like here - child martyrs are especially tragic.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Not even like video calls. People can take screenshots. That's happened to me in the past. (I was an adult when it occured but my point still stands)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Thank you !

Now I should add

  • Learn to recognize malwares
  • Learn to block disturbing people and to ignore haters

Can you explain what you meant by netiquette and do noy pay later?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's a lot of "services" like Klarna where you buy now for payments split over several months. At first glance these often seem ok but they're essentially loans with credit card interest rates.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the BNPL offer comes with 0% interest and you pay with debit, or a credit card that you always pay off timely, I don't see how it can be such a bad thing. Spending your money immediately, especially with the inflation accounted for, a fix $50 over twelve or twenty-four months means you actually came out ahead theoretically, since your money went further.

The only catch here is of course that vendors will price their goods accordingly, where BNPL or loans will be the only way to afford their goods.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I issue with subscriptions and pay later schemes is, that you loose sight of what you have paid, will pay next weeks/ months and what amount of money you still have left.

Taking inflation into account for anything that is below 100k and over more than 5 years, is just ridiculous, to say it in plain words, sry.

In short you live day to day with your money without any planning if you let your cash flow out by itself (subscriptions, loans)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Someone mentioned dark patterns below.

This link might be helpful -> https://www.deceptive.design/types

[–] 0x0 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

netiquette

Net etiquette, be friendly, don't ask stupid questions, etc...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I disagree with the "don't ask stupid questions" any question you ask might be viewed as stupid by someone who knows the answer. Better to say "don't ask questions you know are stupid".

[–] 0x0 0 points 1 week ago

Or ones the answer to which is the very first result in a web search.

[–] nathanjent 3 points 1 week ago

Do not share nude pics of yourself (even not to your boy/girlfriend)

With automatic cloud backup, even taking a nude photo with a connected device is a risk. And once you upload it to the Internet, it's out of your control. You can put your trust in a company but we've seen them fail to protect your data so many times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Great list, I would just suggest to recognize all dark patterns. It's not like only shopping sites use them.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Always remember that corporations will if able exploit your child as much as possible. Help your kids learn that any corporation type platform will filter things and change based on what they want your kids to see.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

True, they should learn about suggested content bubble

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

I think you're missing of the most important parts:

  • learn to avoid addictive content

This means:

  • games w/ MTX
  • clickbait/doom scrolling
  • gambling

Others got into that as well, but I honestly try to keep things simple, so I'll leave it as assuming that everyone on the internet is trying to screw you. For example:

  • someone you don't know in person is being extra nice? They probably want something from you.
  • a deal looks too good to be true? It probably is.
  • something says you need to take urgent action? Probably a scam.

The internet is not a regulated place, so be vigilant about figuring out how the other party is trying to screw you and you should catch most of the crap out there. Yeah, not everyone is trying to screw you, but you should always assume they are.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My biggest rule is not on your list:

  • Only add friends that you have met in person.

Also, be sure to apply Richard Stallman's privacy rules. To summarise, all data that leaves your device is effectively out of your control. Assume all of this data is captured and stored, and will be used against you at some point.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've met some good friends online that I later met up with in person. Though this was only after chatting and gaming with them for years. Meeting in a public place reduces a lot of the risk. I wouldn't want to give out my address or meet at someone's house.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah. I've got friends that I've met through LAN groups. There's even heaps of people who hang around in the same discord channels as my friends. Every now and then, we'll find ourselves at the same BBQ and I'll happily add them after that.

[–] RagnarokOnline 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think this is close to what you’re looking for: https://www.missingkids.org/netsmartz/home

Click the “Peer Learning” pdf on the home page.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This one https://www.missingkids.org/content/dam/netsmartz/itc/downloadable/Peer%20Education%20Kit.pdf ?

Looks good, could be used in classrooms (I doubt they will here though since education is so much out of touch with reality)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

This is a really good start TY

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One way would be to let them find out the hard way. Make sure they understand that everyone can see what they do and say and that they can find them back as a first base step. Let them have to click the right download button when downloading a mod for their game, you know. Make a setup so that if there's theres a big oopsie with their devices yours arent affected. And from there they will install an ad blocker or learn to find the download button. You could also make a fake blackmail or phishing email to see how they react (I've thought about making a fake phishing email for the elder ones in my family recently too...) and make it so that if they click, the screen goes black and red with crazy sounds.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My daughter isn't even two yet, but I'm definitely trying to plan a balance with this. It's a huge part of how I learned, and I don't think I would have learned nearly as much or as well otherwise.

At the same time though, I can't help but feel like ads and the internet are far more insidious than they were when I first went online in 2000.

Malware is much more sneaky. There's more spare resources for it to use without impacting performance. Ads have likewise had plenty of time to develop/advance/get worse.

Thankfully, ad blocking, anti-malware, and recovery tools have also advanced.

I think for the early days I'll have her on an isolated, locked down, pre-protected device for learning the basics of using a computer (mouse, files, the type of stuff they used to teach in elementary school).

Then slowly take off the training wheels.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

That's how I learned too, but at first yeah obv training wheels are useful in order to not have to reinstall the os every 2 days. About malware though, it may be more sneaky in general but some sites I've seen recently still use the old ways, especially for game mods or file downloads, they still use the giant green download button trick. Also, she will grow up in the internet that we have today, so if she learns the old stuff, it may not be that useful

In any case, just for thinking of this, she will probably be one of the most tech savvy person in her generation! I hope she will be thankful

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I've reached the conclusion that the only way to protect children from these influences is to remove the influences altogether.

My children will be raised with minimal dependence on the internet, and minimal dependence on consumerism.

Glad I'm not the only parent out there thinking these things.

[–] 0x0 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Step 1: unplug the router.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Unrealistic

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

According to project 2025 this issue is covered: Just block tyranny porn and get them a gun. They'll be fine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Block tyranny porn? Doesn't that also filter Project 2025?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago

Is there an extensive guide on how to protect kids on the internet?

Countless.