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The petition is open to all EU resident. The goal is to replace all Windows in all public institution in Europe with a sovereign GNU/Linux.

If the petition is successful it would be a huge step forward for GNU/Linux adoption.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

My main worry with Linux becoming more popular is that it will be attacked with more malware and viruses. I wouldn't mind though if Linux programmers could come up with better protection.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Linux is already what a decent chunk of servers run, so I don't really see it increasing malware.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 44 minutes ago

The insecure parts of Linux is mostly on the DE side opposed to the core OS part that servers use. We absolutely will see more vulnerabilities in the future as Linux grows.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

It’s ridiculous that governments don’t use customized Unix/Linux builds.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 hours ago

well that's what this law proposition is about... Better late than never but for it to be passed a maximum of EU resident should sign that petition

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago

Didn't even have to open the link to know it was red star. I've heard rumors of others as well.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 hours ago

Funny enough, I'm working in IT in government exclusively with Linux for the past 20 years, which shows that indeed it's possible.

There are a few reasons I don't believe a petition like this will change a thing though

[–] CameronDev 15 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Double edged sword. Forced adoption of a shitty distro, or a really locked down/limited system might not be a step forward at all.

From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Government systems should be locked down and limited.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

No, it isn't a double edged sword. Even a mediocre distro would be better than Windows, any distro would be cheaper than Windows, and there's no reason to choose a bad distro anyway.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

afaik Bayern rolled back to Windows after some Microsoft "lobbying"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Precisely the city of Munich had its LiMux system.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Solution: don't ship a shitty distro. This is the sort of issue that actual IT professionals need final say in. Not the MBAs. Not the politicals. The people who actually know what they're doing. Additionally, years ago Linux was in a much different place. It's really matured into something more suitable for both the average end user as well as professional adoption.

[–] CameronDev 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Thats the problem though, there are near infinite ways for someone along the way to completely fuck it up, and very few ways to get it right. And security concerns are almost always going to make the distro worse for the users.

And even if it was left to IT professionals, they are just as capable of making it a mess on their own.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

We could say that about every single general decision that anyone in the world has ever made. It's a truism which tells us almost nothing about this situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

IT professionals only get a say when the C-suite accepts that IT is a necessity, not a burden. This is extremely uncommon.

Working in enterprise IT sucks. I've had jobs where we had to have CFO approval to buy a bag of zipties (the request was denied, BTW)

[–] fuzzy_feeling 22 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.techspot.com/news/102518-windows-microsoft-office-replaced-linux-libreoffice-german-state.html

The 30,000 employees of Schleswig-Holstein's local government will be moving to Linux and LibreOffice as the state pushes for what it calls "digital sovereignty," a reference to non-EU companies not gathering troves of user data so European firms can compete with these foreign rivals.

Munich, the capital of German state Bavaria, switched from Windows to Linux-based LiMux in 2004, though it switched back in 2017 as part of an IT overhaul. Wanting Microsoft to move its headquarters to Munich likely played a part in returning to Windows, too.

[–] CameronDev 4 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, that's the one. Gnome 2 in 2017 would have felt pretty dated. And the political reasons can't have helped either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Linux isn't a platform but rather a general ecosystem. The hard part is making a base system that means the requirements and is rock solid.

[–] fuzzy_feeling 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

dunno how many online petitions actually worked, but "kay guys... now... linux!" ain't gonna work.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That's a parliament petition. If it succeed it is forced by EU constitution to be turned into an EU law.

That tool is offered to EU representant to create a kind of referendum and accelerate the adoption of a law through direct democracy.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago

I think you're a bit mistaken. Per https://www.edf-feph.org/enforcement-toolkit-european-parliament-peti-committee/

"The Petitions Committee does not have investigatory nor enforcement powers and it can only adopt non-binding recommendations. Nevertheless, it can be a good tool to draw political attention to specific matters."

At most, it makes the parliament have to look at the proposal and decide if its worth looking into or not. It doesn't force anything.

Unless I'm looking at the wrong kind of petition to the EU Parliament?

[–] Gobbel2000 6 points 7 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Why creating a new distro instead of using a big one and contribute to it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Governments tend to have security standards that differ from most solutions readily available. Not saying this is the case, but it's a possibility.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

They aren't building something from scratch. They probably are just going to make a base image with everything configured in a standard way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like they don't know the magnitude of that what means.

Very cool but unlikely to work

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Could easily fork a distro and pay a government agency or independent entity the same amount as Microsoft is currently being paid to maintain the distro. Or they could put financial backing on any of the current commercial Linux solutions out there. It's far from farfetched.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

The problem is dealing with the application side.

Just one feature that's massive - how many systems have automatic import/export using Excel file formats. Converting those processes will be a huge undertaking themselves, let alone how many other things that will require re-engineering. The scope and scale of this is staggering.

A better effort would be to convert a single, small organization in government, then the scope is limited, but you get to build the fundamentals, and gain the experience of interfacing with extant systems.