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The main arguments for people to defederate are

  • "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" strategy: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
  • A potential federation with Threads (should Thread decide to implement it) would overwhelm Lemmy/Mbin/Piefed with millions of users (compared to the 40k monthly current active users), transforming those platforms into a threaded version of Facebook
  • Defederating preventively costs nothing

LW stance: https://lemmy.world/post/1274909?scrollToComments=true

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

We should be careful after looking at what happened with XMPP

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

What happened to XMPP

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Is it really a mystery? Ruud explained why this has not been done, why don't you add his explanation to the context here? Don't tell me you have never heard about it.

[–] [email protected] 136 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I have yet to see any threads content anyway.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The best if you don't have to. If you thought Twitter's nonexistent moderation was bad, then get ready for Meta's moderation.

People can post trans suicide memes, people can post outright hate speech, no action. Call a "moderate conservative" a "mean person", racist, etc., action within 24 hours, multiple-day ban.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago

@ZILtoid1991

If you thought Twitter’s nonexistent moderation was bad, then get ready for Meta’s moderation.

To be fair, there is no global moderation on the fediverse. Anyone can start up their own instance with their own rules, or lack thereof. But that is also a plus since you or your server administrator decide how to moderate content, rather than depending on the decisions of some mega company's moderation team.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Exactly. I still don't know what the whole kerfuffle is about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

It's about literally nothing. People just (rightfully) hate Meta so they cry wolf for no reason. Try looking for Meta users on Mastodon, you won't find almost any. Most thread users don't know what the fediverse is, don't care about it and don't want to know. Threads has likely already more users than the whole fediverse. Their base is already bigger of what they should theoretically "expand and extinguish". There is absolutely no reason for them to care about the fediverse more other than some niche PR.

The EEE case never made sense from the beginning in this context, but people are still repeating it like a mantra. They are taking an emotional approach to a rational issue. Funnily enough, many of them are probably unable to understand how people could vote for Trump...

Also I don't understand the problem at all. It's not like instances can't defererate later if an issue arise. We were the niche from the start, and they already had all the users they could ever need. And ongoing project was just easier to implement compared to developing a platform from scratch, that's all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

There's lots of things I've never witnessed but is against as a matter of principle.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago

One concern is that since threads has a massive userbase and similar volume of content, it is basically a full reservoir and when it starts to federate content it will be like the dam bursting. Even if there is a need for a user on lemmy.world to do something to start federating content, like subscribing to communities, but all it would take is a bot that subscribes to a bunch of popular content to both fill the All feed and prompt a massive number of API calls.

If the hardware is up to the task, the other concern is the threads content overwhelming existing communities, and since a bunch of meta content is bot driven and malicious that would be a crazy amount of moderation that is likely needed to keep it from causing issues and driving away the existing userbase.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

Lemmy is niche and therefore is heavily populated by techies but more specifically lemmy is open source so these techies are specifically the type who like open source stuff. Threads and the corporation responsible for it have a financial incentive to oppose open source projects like this. So the community most ideologically tied to lemmy want nothing to do with it. They want to preserve their space that they have made as free of the influences of capital as possible. The very existence of threads is a threat.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

So it's working.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Threads.net federation status on major Lemmy instances based on blocklist info:

Also, in memoriam:

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

Hexbear? EW.

Also they don't actually federate anything, especially not with Lemmy as federation with Lemmy is fucked up even with mastodon, misskey and basically all the other services. Kbin was the only somewhat working other service, but from what I've seen its abandoned.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago

At the moment, it is more a gesture of support for our micro-blogging cousins but still...

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I'm pretty sure LW is trying to be Threads, or at least grow into some version of it. Why is, as you said, a mystery.

https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/#org-chart

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I have 2 possible theories on that:

  1. They want the federation to be all encompassing. Like a giant forum for corporations, governments and the common people. Sort of like a FOSS mall with a post office, community center and library included.

  2. They're ran and/or owned ultimately by a Reddit or Threads type company.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thread does not currently federate with link aggregators (Lemmy, Mbin, Piefed)

It federates with MBin, recently Fedia defederated Threads, but before that I could follow and interact with Threads accounts, and it actually worked

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