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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

The herd keeps me secure

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Still cheaper than my Arch Premium membership

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago

Thank you for your service to Linux adoption o7

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 hours ago

Wait. They want me to pay for something I already paid for?

Well guess my $2.5k new windowless machine is looking better everyday.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (4 children)

This is like people complaining about how Ubuntu 16.04 LTS support ended not long ago (2021-04-29)

Or macOS 10.9 Mavericks (2016-12-01)

Or Android 6.0 (2018-08-01)

Or Debian 8 "Jessie" (2018-06-17)

Or Linux Mint 17 (2019-07-01)

Or Fedora 23 (2016-12-20)

Or Slackware 14.1 (2024-01-01)

Of all of these, not even Slackware comes close to how long Microsoft has supported Windows 10 post release (2015)

[–] Feyd 1 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 32 minutes ago)

To my knowledge upgrading to the newer release of any of those linux distros was not blocked by having only slightly old and perfectly serviceable hardware.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 59 minutes ago

I migrated someone running mission critical software off of CentOS 6 this year.

People hate upgrades.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

Windows XP. 2001–2019. If 10 beats that I'll be impressed

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, but you don't migrate to Windows 11 from those.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Considering that when people paid $100 for that OS they were told that it would be the "last Windows to be released", shouldn't there be a class action lawsuit?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

They weren't told that, that was an off-hand comment by an employee (not even a spokesperson) that the media took and ran with. Source:

Right now we're releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we're all still working on Windows 10.

I think they meant "latest" not "last."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

For what it's worth

"Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers," says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. "We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations."

https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Windows will be delivered as a service

Which is largely true, there have been a number of "service packs" that were released as regular updates throughout the Windows 10 lifespan. So it definitely seems they want people to not think about the specific Windows version they're on. From that article:

Microsoft could opt for Windows 11 or Windows 12 in future, but if people upgrade to Windows 10 and the regular updates do the trick then everyone will just settle for just "Windows" without even worrying about the version number.

Windows 7, for example, had one major service pack, with a few isolated updates, whereas Windows 10 had a major update about every 6 months, and each one of those checkpoints was supported for about a year and a half. The final update was at the end of 2022, and it's support runs 3 years.

So yeah, I think they met what they said, but the messaging wasn't particularly clear how long that support would be provided for.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (5 children)

I like all the comments ready to take a fisting in the ass from Microsoft just to keep Windows 10.

If you raised a fucking stink instead of taking this shitty deal, they may be forced to keep supporting it for free anyway like they did with Windows 7.

They've really got you guys cowed into paying for the convenience of getting fucked, don't they?

This is a company with a market cap of $3.04 trillion and you guys are just gonna bend over and take it for $30 bucks? Wew lad. They don't need your fucking thirty dollars, and you fucking know it. It's a god damned shakedown.

Microsoft: Wouldn't it be a shame if your computer was somehow insecure and got hacked?

Sounds like a Mafioso showing up for protection money to me.

EDIT: There's still about 700 million Windows 10 PC's still on the market. If every single existing Windows 10 machine paid for this service, Microsoft would make $21 billion dollars next year off this alone. It's a shakedown, do the fucking math. (700,000,000 x $30 = $21,000,000,000) Even if only half do it, it's still a cool $10.5 billion.

EDIT II: This also normalizes the practice of paying for security updates for consumers. You really want to take us down that path where every security update is paid?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

It would make sense if Microsoft was liable for any security faults. I’d actually pay for something like that but of course you’re probably paying for some nebulous promise of something between security at best effort basis and whatever they feel like.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

Why l would pay 30$ to dumpester fire OS to use it securely for another year when l could install Linux for free with more than 7 year security?

And consumers can only pay for single year.

It just shows how M$ doesn't care about their costumers treating them like lab rats.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I switched to Linux myself but can we please stop lying about Linux being a drop-in replacement? There is enough sofware that does not work.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

A lot of Linux users here think the conversation begins and ends with game support. A lot of us use our computers for work and there is a lot of productivity and creative software that does not play nice with Linux. I've probably said this a dozen times here before but I'll say it again: Not all of us use our computers solely for gaming.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (5 children)

theres also a lot of productivity and creative software that does. linux for work is way better than linux for gaming and id bet 80%+ of people can work off it much better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

This exactly. I'm an engineer but day-to-day I'm mainly using the Office shite (I tried for suite but ended up with former and happy to run with it) to do my job. The amount of extraneous effort I have to make to do tasks that would have been simple in 2005 is completely ridiculous. Yet on my home computer running Arch BTW, I can do everything instantaneously, the only downside is that some supplier I don't really care for wants my presentation in pptx. If it wasn't for work data security requirements, I'd just use my personal equipment for everything because I'd be able to work so much faster.

Edit: not to mention a lot of FOSS software is better than the professional bullshit (AutoCAD needs to die), it's just a lot more effort to get up to speed with because colleagues around you don't know it (yet)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

AutoCAD does need to die, but there absolutely is no real substitute for MasterCAM. I have a windows PC just for running that software, because nothing comes even kinda close. That license is expensive though, holy shit.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm a Linux user and I think the conversation should be:

More than half (over 60% ackshually) of Windows PCs in service are still Windows 10. Windows 11 barely cracks 34%.

People should boycott this and demand that Microsoft offer long-term support for Windows 10 like they did Windows 7 and stop trying to force Windows 11 on consumers through dark patterns like this. We have a year to make a huge about this deal in public spaces. This is the kind of thing the reddit userbase used to excel at getting word out about. Enough public outcry over a year could force the issue.

They made their own bed with the arbitrary TPM 2.0 requirement. They can drop that and they'd probably have more adoption of 11 overnight. These are business choices Microsoft is making, while ignoring the reality on the ground for a lot of people who never upgraded to something with a TPM 2.0 chip. It's a choice to and a dark pattern to push them to upgrade.

I am kind of sick of the Linux users acting superior instead of being helpful to people stuck with Windows due to work environments, too.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 hours ago

Fuck me harder, Daddy Microsoft.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Anyone still defending Microsoft at this point has cognitive dissonance and deserves what they get. Seriously people - just use Linux. And for the 1% of you that can’t get that 1% of your programs working in Linux - just dual boot.

It’s like people forgot how to use computers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

What am I dual booting if I can't use win10 because it's not secure, and I'm not paying for win11?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

You can download the Windows 11 ISO from Microsoft for free. There's a gajillon different ways to activate it for free, too. Most likely it will just activate itself, unless you built the PC.

But if you only need it to run some software, you don't even need to activate it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Most people who are fed up with Microsofts crap simply don't buy a new computer anymore. They just do everything on an iPad (maybe pro) or similar without Windows. Gamers switch over to consoles, with Nintendo and Steam deck being preferred. Those things may run Linux like the Steam deck or another non Windows OS, but the user won't notice or care since they don't interact with it.

The time of the desktop and to a lesser extent the laptop has come and gone. It's only for enthusiasts and people at work. At work people probably just use the same couple of apps or even just a browser with a webapp and never really interact with the OS. If it's even a full computer and not a thin client connecting to a virtual desktop environment. People don't know or care about OSes. Maybe they'll bitch about Windows at times, but they bitch about a lot of things at work and they have no influence over any of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 30 minutes ago* (last edited 29 minutes ago)

I think your right about waning support for desktop for general use, as in the "home" computer but saying gamers will switch to Nintendo or Steam Deck, not a chance in my opinion..the whole reason people game on PC is a varied story, for me personally I wanted to experience the best graphics at the time, what made me stick around is the realization that I can play any game I want from any console in history with any controller I want, I dont have to pay for internet, I don't have to worry about backwards compatiilty and I'm free to shop around for amazing deals on games.

Your right about the average family home not buying in but your wrong about "gamers" or more accurately any tech person just switching or dropping windows

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

“Enrolled PCs will continue to receive Critical and Important security updates for Windows 10; however, new features, bug fixes, and technical support will no longer be available from Microsoft,” explains Yusuf Mehdi, executive vice president and consumer chief marketing officer at Microsoft.

Don’t threaten me with a good time.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 hours ago

Anyone who's had to open a Microsoft support ticket can assure you technical support is already not available from Microsoft.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 hours ago (18 children)

$30 to not have to deal with Windows 11 for another year feels like the deal of the century.

I love how they're like 'but you won't get new features!'. They may have still not figured out that nobody cares about 'new features' being stuffed into the OS, but I guess you can't have everything.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 10 hours ago (21 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Consider that Microsoft will have supported Windows 10 for 10 years as of next year, I will say it had a good run. Considering the longest support cycle for an OS I can find that is even remotely usable as a daily is Slackware 14.1, at 9 years, and support ended for that almost a year ago.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

If you’re somewhat tech savvy, don’t have anything against the high seas and absolutely need Windows, look into Windows 10 LTSC.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC specifically

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