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Scheme to cast votes on stolen mail ballots thwarted by Colorado election officials. (coloradosun.com)
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[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

However, three ballots were counted before election officials could pull them from the process because they passed through the signature verification process. Those votes cannot be remedied or removed.

What? So the person whose ballot was stolen now has their vote cast for trump (let's be real there is a 99.99% chance it was a trumper who did this even they are being coy about it) and there is nothing they can do about it? WTF?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago

Further down it states:

All of the voters affected by the Mesa County fraud will be offered a new ballot.

So does that mean those voters are counted twice? One fraud and one real, or...?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

They will likely revamp the process. The problem is, once the ballot is counted, the vote is separated from the voter, so there's no link to who the person was and who they voted for.

It's a process meant for privacy. That someone was able to accurately forge signatures enough to pass verification (which is handled by trained humans) is a bit on the "this was creepy/planned" side, which is likely how the outlier event happened.

America isn't there yet, but cryptographic hashes anonymizing but connecting a vote to a voter, so the vote could be anonymously recalled for an attack like this would likely be the best privacy-preserving process.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago

99% of Congress is too old to understand a word you just said... Someday it'll all be zoomers, and then maybe tech will start to help us

[–] [email protected] 179 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

They go out of their way in the article to not cast any partisan aspirations on the scheme. But it is the same county where Tina Peters used to be the county clerk, and is now in jail after being convicted of election shenanigans for Trump. And it looks like it had the complicity of at least one judge.

Watch this one, folks. The details sadly won't come out until after the election, but when they do I think we will find that Republican talk about election fraud is also projection, like all their other complaints.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's so fucking disgusting. The Republicans have 252527171 ways to try to win this, and we have 1.

Kamala needs to be perfect and Trump could walk on stage with nothing but a shit filled diaper, do the Hitler salute and somehow gain in the poles... It's infuriating.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Harris and Trump have very different bases.

If Trump went to New York and shot a black person, his base wouldn't care whereas if Harris did, the Democrats would be in an uproar.

However, if Trump went to New York and gave people COVID shots, now his base would be fucking furious.

Both candidates are appealing to their base. It's just the Democratic base is a bunch of sane and rational people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

I understand the bases. I don't understand all the people who won't vote at all.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

IDK about projection, but if you convince people that a system is corrupt, they're much more likely to cheat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

A little of column A; a little of column B.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 12 hours ago

republicans would NEVER

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

You're probably right but I don't really get it. Mesa County is so red that Trump won by 28 points in 2020. What was this person trying to achieve? For that matter, what was Tina Peters was trying to achieve? I just don't understand how either of them could have made a difference when, in 2020, Trump won by over 25K votes out of a total of 91K votes cast and 107K registered voters.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

the county totals don't matter for president, it is counted statewide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

And the statewide margin was still a 14 point margin. Too much to overcome with 12 stolen ballots.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Perhaps they wanted it to be caught, where it wouldn't make a difference if it wasn't, in order to shore up their future claims that more of the same occurred in more competitive districts. As well as undermining faith in the election as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

That’s actually a very insightful theory.

But if I had to bet on it, I’d still put my money on outright stupidity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

There are more things to vote on than just the President. State representation is important.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

You're right, it is. In 2020 not a single race in Mesa County was competitive. Likewise, none of the state-wide races were competitive enough to have their results changed even if everyone in Mesa County voted the same way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

It is always projection. There have been previous Republican voters fraud cases in the last election(s).

At least it's an easy alert for what problems to look for. If they're declaring "the other guys" are doing something, they're already doing it themselves.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

“We don’t know the motive,” she said.

Really? You don't know the motive? I'd give anyone on the internet three guesses, and the first two don't count.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I guess we'll never know.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 12 hours ago

They were trying to, uh... outspit god for scrump. No wait, that's not it, uh... emit cod for gump? That doesn't sound right either... OH, I think I get it: they were trying to commit fraud for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago

I would bet the house on the motive and who they voted for.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, it's true that they don't actually know the motive.

You can make a strong educated guess, and you'd probably be right, but until there is a full investigation leading to a conviction, they can't say that for sure.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago

The motive was trying to change the outcome of the election. There are zero other possible motives.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Those three ballots represent 0.003% of the total ballots cast in the county in the last presidential election year.

Or put another way: 25% of the known fraudulent ballots got through.

I hope they catch the perpetrator(s) and inflict maximum justice.

[–] tyler 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

0% would have gotten through if the judge had done their job.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

appeals responsibility of the job

Am I doing it right, Georgia‽

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

With less than 100k voters in the county, there is a non-zero chance that the margin will be within 3 votes, and now this scheme has given both sides a legitimate excuse to hold up certification if the margin is close. Even if it's not within 3 votes, we know there is shady shit going on.

Now, it does look like this county is heavily Republican. But the State will probably go to Harris, so any delays might endanger the casting of CO's 10 Electoral Votes .

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

Technically there's a non-zero chance of the margin being within three votes for any population of voters.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 12 hours ago

“We don’t know the motive,” she said.

are you fucking serious?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Griswold said she also couldn’t discuss the “political implications” of the case, meaning whether the person or people behind the scheme had a political motivation and what candidates they voted for on the stolen ballots.

“We don’t know the motive,” she said.

Hmm, can we place bets on which party the fraudulent votes supported? And maybe taking a look at that would give a clue to the motive?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago

If they were a Democrat, we would "know the motive."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

It will be important to publicize which side is implicated ASAP - and do so clearly with an authoritative voice.