Political Memes

Yes, but if we don't have so many shitheads in the street how can we justify such bloated police budgets? I would rather spend the money on our fine boys and girls in blue then some people who actually need it.

I really don't think anyone can get physically healthier (I think that's a big point) when they are sleeping in the cold and don't have good nutrition.

Dishwashers are an accessibility item, too. Housing should be required to have them, just like places require wheelchair ramps.

I'd like to point out that "mental health counseling without any preconditions" is definitely bullshit. For free? Sure. Without preconditions? Nah.

Housing though? Available for everyone, sure, and compared to most other countries, the system is good. But it doesn't mean it doesn't have flaws in it and that we couldn't improve.

I'm just here to point out people put Finland on a pedestal.

You shouldn't. It's not terrible in most ways, and pretty good in a lot of ways. But don't idolise. Realism. It's just different, so different problems as well.

Kela (National Pension Institution) urges thousands to seek cheaper housing.

And these people are already living on the housing which is the cheapest available. It's basically just a convoluted excuse from the government for austerity to social security. Since none of the social security or the like are being reduced, they've just "indexed the calculation for reasonable living costs" or some shit, send out these letters, which people will reply to with "wtf do you think I can do, because moving would cost and there's literally no cheaper housing available" and then Kela will go "oh well guess then you're voluntarily taking a cut in your social security (so definitely don't blame the government, blame the markets or whatever)?". And that's the point of it.

Also I don't quite get it. Who makes the money?

Oh is this so they can work?

Do they have to sign a contract where they will work for you or else they lose the house and counseling?

I just don't see how a society can continue if they aren't paying their fair share!

/SarcasticCapitalism

mmm, yes, their sweaty, sweaty fate

Borsch he is silen

It still blows my mind that some people cannot comprehend that not everything needs an exchange of currency in some way shape or form.

"They don't do anything in return?" "They don't get worse!" "But who compensates the people who help them?" "We do." "But then who compensates us?"

The "4 out of 5" figure roughly matches what I recall being told by a head of Catholic Charities maybe a decade ago. You certainly have some percentage of people who’ve been given everything they need to be comfortable, and when you leave them alone and come back to check on them, they simply have not been able to look after themselves. But for the vast majority, it does work. People are in a safe space where they can look for work, have an address to put down on applications, and all that.

Quite affordable too; ambulance rides and jail visits aren't cheap.

Who knew getting them healthy and back in the workforce paying taxes could pay off?

Why does it even need to be a transaction? We help each other because it's the right thing to do. It doesn't need to result in anything other than gratitude and happiness.

Ok, but how can Finland afford the nesting-doll yachts if they are giving out money that should have gone into billionaires' hoards?

Twitter is bad.

Nooooo that money is supposed to go to hard working shareholders like nature intended!!

/s

I've seen nothing more demonic than prosperity gospel.

As a conservative I support this idea, because it has no means testing.

Means testing is fucked up in two ways:

• It makes government larger and gets the government asking questions, poking its nose into everything
• It creates a perverse incentive structure, one which doesn’t match nature and hence doesn’t match the way our brains evolved to respond to challenge.

The perverse incentive structure is the worse of the two, in my opinion. Just like crack cocaine hacks the brain, presents something the brain can’t handle because it didn’t evolve for, rewarding a person with resources only when they don’t succeed basically programs a person to fail.

I’m all for the government generously giving with an open hand to people, and letting the people decide when to start receiving benefits and when to stop. People are either worth it or they aren’t, and a person doesn’t stop being worth it just because they got their shit together, or start being worth it just because they failed.

Government should treat everyone the same. If a government wants to present a service like “free housing if you want it”, I’m totally fine with that.

Just execute the homeless, grind them into feed for the poor and the problem solves itself.

Holy shit, it's not that hard.

i got drunk and forgot why this pissed me off, but gardening is awesome

Conservatives hate these not because they don't work, but that they shouldn't work. They insist that the only thing that matters is piety and hard work. If those aren't enough, you just aren't pious enough and aren't working hard enough, even if the work literally crippled you that you cannot do as much of it as you did before.

It is entirely about being cruel and evil as a policy.