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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ah, americans. you guys love your team sport don't ya

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

#BothSiders often end up repeating Republican talking points

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Of course the both sides argument comes from the right because America has no left

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Actual centrists recognize how extreme the right has gotten, and vote accordingly. Bothsiders are the brainless, egotistical tools of the far right, going along with normalizing fascism because they don't want to think too hard.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

It's because they identify 100% with the party but don't want the negative flack it rightfully deserves, so they pretend to be centrist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Exactly this. Many of them are concerned about how it might affect their work too and their families if they found out they're were horrible racist people.

It's part of the reason why the KKK wore clokes

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This has actually been studied

Anti-Authoritarians and Moderates view it as best to be seen as Anti-Authoritarians, Authoritarians view it best to be seen as Moderates.

They literally view opportunistic claiming of the center not just as a political tool but as a social survival tactic to not be ostracized for their bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Drag would like to have a link to a study so drag can cite it in the future

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What makes you qualified to speak for the entire drag community?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Drag is not a community, drag is a dragon rider.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Go back to Pern where you came from

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Never thought I'd see anti-immigrant sentiment on here

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"Rider"* whether thon ride dragons or "rider" is thon's nickname is unclear.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

It's so funny to see Alex Jones present himself as above left-right politics despite constantly spewing far right BS.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Anyone claiming to be undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024 is full of shit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

When the whole world is USA!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You mean other people outside the US can’t educate themselves, if they care to, about trump?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No its fine! But the whole world has left and right in their political spectrum, yet every comment in here is about USA (and one(?) about France)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Well, yes…this instance and community are full of Americans, so that’s the viewpoint the comments will revolve around.

Please do offer your country’s difficulties with right wing politics instead of a sarcastic comment. The more we all know of nationalist, populist, and theocratic fascists trying to make inroads around the world the better.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The whole world is inundated with news about the election, looking on in horror at the fact that Trump, in spite of everything has a 50/50 shot at the presidency. The fact that he remains viable is one of the worst enditements possible on the US government and people.

Yeah - we see you guys, and we've decided.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024, I can't tell if they're brutally evil or evilly brutal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I'm a centrist. I say they're brutally evil AND evilly brutal, and I would even add the hot-take as an ENLIGHTENED centrist that they're probably also stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've had a guy tell me he votes for Trump because he's trying to take a balanced centrist view of things. But dude, if Trump is the center, wtf are your extremes?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Homie just heard a bunch of words online and attempted to string them together into a coherent political opinion. They failed, but hey they tried.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's weird how often people say they "Aren't for Right or the Left" and "Think BOTH parties are the problem", but only ever have negative things to say about the Left.

Concern Trolls are not your friends

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

It betrays a deep level of self-awareness of being on the "bad" side and knowing that if you say your actual values around a large number of normal people you will face criticism and attacks, so it's shame. Centerism is almost always some level of shame, or at best woefully immature ignorance of actual politics.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The post brought to you by Emmanuel Macron

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

The extreme center, no political ideology, only opportunism!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Damn this hits. I've worked with a lot of guys who "don't vote, don't pay attention" that are defacto conservative in their beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Most men in general are by default conservative because society was kinda built around prioritizing men's feelings/sensibilities. Of course equality for all feels like being oppressed if your normal is privilege.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Let's just start with the fact that American political system is super skewed to begin with and no actual left has any power.

Dems are highly pro-capitalist, moderately nationalist and merely call to strike a bit less horrible balance between the interests of people and businesses. This is not left, this is a bit better right.

This fallacy keeps people trapped in an idea that the only possible options are "good" ultra-capitalism and "greedy" ultra-capitalism, which is not true.

People that try to have "both sides heard" totally ignore that there are way more than two angles in this conversation and that Dems are not some sort of a political extreme. Reps, ironically, kinda are.

And Democrats often think they vote for something actually good, when it's actually just a lesser evil. Keep that in mind, no matter what you decide.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

This is absolute hogwash. Actual centrists bring up some Republican talking points (at least, the valid ones) when talking to a Democrat, because democrats don't seem to understand them.

Surprise surprise, Republicans think centrists bring up Democratic talking points.

Centrists get the same bullshit demonization from both parties, because both parties are insanely convinced that getting rid of the dissenter makes the issue go away.

It would have been nice if he issue was just something simple, like a religion. But no, demonization is too convenient - an easy argument for pawns to make. Step on someone else, make yourself feel better. Classic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey! I'm way left of Democrats, so I really don't understand Republican talking points... Could you give an example of ones you would say are valid? It would do me some good to know they aren't just out to cause suffering.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are:

  1. that borders do actually matter to the sovereignty of a country and that control over who and what crosses that border is a necessity,

  2. countries need some kind of balanced budget to prevent hyperinflation and inevitable austerity,

  3. the constitution should be protected and enforced equally for all amendments unless and until they are further amended or repealed, and

  4. the Federal government should exist to provide for the defense of the country, protection of interstate and international commerce, and protection of the common good.

I happen to personally think that the best implementation for these points would be:

  1. an overhaul of immigration policy is needed to increase legal immigration and decrease the time spent in that process to months or at least under 1-2 years with a pathway that allows current illegal immigrants to get in the back of that (actually useful and reasonably short) line,

  2. countries cannot balance a budget like a household balances a checkbook because it doesn't work like that and anyone who says otherwise is either economic-illiterate or a con artist,

  3. First, Second, Fourth, and Fifth amendments especially all need to be equally enforced and double especially on the police and the State (looking at you Civil Asset Forfiture, and your partner in crime Cash Bail), and

  4. all of these functions would be best served with Universal Healthcare, Universal Education to an undergrad (Associates) level, Universal Basic Income replacing the existing welfare framework with no hoops or requirements or means testing, some form of Georgist land tax integration to help ensure the wealthy at least start to pay their fair share, and a heavy dose of monopoly busting and anti-trust enforcement to prevent billionaires from becoming a thing in the first place and prevent regulatory capture by capital at the very least.

Also religion has no business in government and fuck off with race/orientation/religious/etc discrimination. It is all class warfare from the elite and Reagan deregulation caused the death of the economy and the middle class.

This is why I consider myself a centrist, because the Right would have a conniption fit at most of those beliefs. The Left would have the same conniption fit that I also think that current border policies, the existence of sanctuary cities/states providing incentive, and worst of all the companies and people hiring and exploiting illegal labor due to insufficient availability, use, and enforcement of tools like e-verify (AKA the current status quo) is a shit show and the "left" shows too much weakness on this topic, I think the "open borders/a person cannot be illegal" crowd are dangerously misguided utopiasts, I support the personal right to keep and bear arms interpretation of 2A, support (not limited but also limited) Sates rights as useful ways to experiment with policy along with the original intention of the Senate and Electoral College, and think a decent amount of Left/Democrat ideology is unrealistic, counterproductive, or worse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Huh, you really are an honest to goodness centrist, though a left leaning one, from what you've said.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it's a terrible mentality.

"If you aren't completely on my side, you're on the other side."

It is possible to be on neither side...

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Oh this is the classic : "I'm socially progressive, but fiscally conservative" LOL

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

"I want to smoke weed and not pay taxes and I lack basic empathy for anyone with problems worse than my own."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I'm left leaning but don't like to define myself as left because that can lead to bias

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People are prone to bias regardless of their political identification. Identifying as left-leaning provides no more protection against bias than any other political identification.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Everytime I have a discussion with someone who says “both sides are the same”, they always end up voting right. I ask if both sides are the same why not vote left?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everybody votes right-wing in usa. There are no left-wing candidates just liberals.

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