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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

This is absolute hogwash. Actual centrists bring up some Republican talking points (at least, the valid ones) when talking to a Democrat, because democrats don't seem to understand them.

Surprise surprise, Republicans think centrists bring up Democratic talking points.

Centrists get the same bullshit demonization from both parties, because both parties are insanely convinced that getting rid of the dissenter makes the issue go away.

It would have been nice if he issue was just something simple, like a religion. But no, demonization is too convenient - an easy argument for pawns to make. Step on someone else, make yourself feel better. Classic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is absolute hogwash

Alex Jones literally did exactly this, proclaiming himself above left/right politics while consistently presenting far right views to a largely far right audience.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Sure, there are shills for both parties all over.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey! I'm way left of Democrats, so I really don't understand Republican talking points... Could you give an example of ones you would say are valid? It would do me some good to know they aren't just out to cause suffering.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are:

  1. that borders do actually matter to the sovereignty of a country and that control over who and what crosses that border is a necessity,

  2. countries need some kind of balanced budget to prevent hyperinflation and inevitable austerity,

  3. the constitution should be protected and enforced equally for all amendments unless and until they are further amended or repealed, and

  4. the Federal government should exist to provide for the defense of the country, protection of interstate and international commerce, and protection of the common good.

I happen to personally think that the best implementation for these points would be:

  1. an overhaul of immigration policy is needed to increase legal immigration and decrease the time spent in that process to months or at least under 1-2 years with a pathway that allows current illegal immigrants to get in the back of that (actually useful and reasonably short) line,

  2. countries cannot balance a budget like a household balances a checkbook because it doesn't work like that and anyone who says otherwise is either economic-illiterate or a con artist,

  3. First, Second, Fourth, and Fifth amendments especially all need to be equally enforced and double especially on the police and the State (looking at you Civil Asset Forfiture, and your partner in crime Cash Bail), and

  4. all of these functions would be best served with Universal Healthcare, Universal Education to an undergrad (Associates) level, Universal Basic Income replacing the existing welfare framework with no hoops or requirements or means testing, some form of Georgist land tax integration to help ensure the wealthy at least start to pay their fair share, and a heavy dose of monopoly busting and anti-trust enforcement to prevent billionaires from becoming a thing in the first place and prevent regulatory capture by capital at the very least.

Also religion has no business in government and fuck off with race/orientation/religious/etc discrimination. It is all class warfare from the elite and Reagan deregulation caused the death of the economy and the middle class.

This is why I consider myself a centrist, because the Right would have a conniption fit at most of those beliefs. The Left would have the same conniption fit that I also think that current border policies, the existence of sanctuary cities/states providing incentive, and worst of all the companies and people hiring and exploiting illegal labor due to insufficient availability, use, and enforcement of tools like e-verify (AKA the current status quo) is a shit show and the "left" shows too much weakness on this topic, I think the "open borders/a person cannot be illegal" crowd are dangerously misguided utopiasts, I support the personal right to keep and bear arms interpretation of 2A, support (not limited but also limited) Sates rights as useful ways to experiment with policy along with the original intention of the Senate and Electoral College, and think a decent amount of Left/Democrat ideology is unrealistic, counterproductive, or worse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Huh, you really are an honest to goodness centrist, though a left leaning one, from what you've said.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it's a terrible mentality.

"If you aren't completely on my side, you're on the other side."

It is possible to be on neither side...